What happens when you stop apologizing for your body and start reading it as sacred text? In this episode of Excavations, I sit down with Ciarra Jones (@thegardeningtheologian) to talk about what it actually means to reclaim the body after religious trauma. We go deep on queer sexual ethics, the theology of pleasure, disability justice, Eve as liberator, and why so much of Christian tradition has needed us to stay at war with our own flesh.
This is a conversation for anyone who grew up being taught that their body was the problem and is starting to suspect the tradition was wrong.

We cover:
Queer theology and sexual ethics
Embodiment, pleasure, and the sacred body
Deconstruction and religious trauma
Disability justice and theology
Eve, death, rebirth, and what liberation actually costs

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What happens when desire meets doctrine and neither will back down?

In this episode of Excavations, Connie Chen sits down with Colten Barnaby for a wide-ranging, unfiltered conversation about the tangled roots of faith, sexuality, and identity. They dig into what it means to grow up Christian with a body full of desires you've been taught to distrust, how worshiping a male God shapes the way we relate to ourselves and others, and why shame doesn't just disappear when you leave the pew.

From trans theology to the violence embedded in liberation, this conversation refuses easy answers, and wrestles honestly with scripture, pleasure, body image, and the communities that formed (and sometimes deformed) us.

Because you can't excavate your faith without excavating yourself.

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• Connie Chen on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube

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Join Connie Chen and Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms for a rich conversation exploring hospice work as a powerful metaphor for helping whiteness face its own death and transformation. Together, we reflect on the sacred interconnectedness of birth and death, the vital role of embodiment in spiritual practice, and the possibility of resurrection that emerges when we embrace grief, ritual, and our shared humanity.

In this episode, we explore:

• How the disembodiment of whiteness disconnects us from ourselves and how its death can open the door to a more authentic way of being
• Choosing joy, depth, and meaningful impact over fame and performance
• The complex relationship between sin and shame
• Crying as part of the body’s natural, life-giving cycle
• How post-Christian identity creates space for more expansive, honest conversations about faith
• Why God cannot be contained by rigid categories. God is being itself

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• Dr. Tamice Spencer-Helms on Instagram
• Connie Chen on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube

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From the perspective of an Asian American artist, I explore the Instagram blackout designed to prompt reflection and amplify black voices after the death of George Floyd.

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