Most business owners avoid hiring for one simple reason: They don’t want to manage people.

In this episode, Chuck sits down with Brandon Rains to challenge that assumption and show why the right hiring process eliminates the need for management altogether.

Brandon shares how he built a thriving estate planning firm with a high-performing team by hiring for culture, beliefs, and talent before skills and experience. Drawing from his years inside the 3to5 Club and real-world hiring success, this conversation reframes hiring as a long-term investment instead of a risky gamble.

In this episode, you’ll learn:

• Why most hiring fails before the first interview even happens
• How hiring for culture first prevents future management headaches
• The difference between people who want a job and people who want meaningful work
• Why resumes and experience often hide the most important indicators
• How a multi-step hiring process causes the wrong candidates to self-select out
• Why starting with trust, not control, changes everything

If you’re tired of micromanaging, constantly fixing mistakes, or feeling trapped by your team, this episode will help you rethink hiring from the ground up and build a business that runs on ownership instead of oversight.

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👤 About Brandon Rains

Brandon Rains is an estate planning attorney who founded his firm in 2016 and has grown it to serve hundreds of clients with a team of attorneys and staff. A longtime member of the 3to5 Club, Brandon focuses on helping families pass on not just financial wealth, but also their stories and values, so inheritances become true blessings for future generations.

📧 Email: brandon@rains-law.com