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Episode 6: The Freedom to Be Fully Human

Episode 6: The Freedom to Be Fully Human

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Send us Fan MailEpisode 6: The Freedom to Be Fully HumanWhat if men's healing isn't about becoming a better kind of man—but becoming more fully yourself?In this episode of the Men's Healing Network Podcast, Vincent Perez sits down with Gregory Flynn, founder of Men Connecting, and Efraín Gutiérrez, artist, facilitator, strategist, and founder of Divine Fluidity, for a wide-ranging conversation about masculinity, queerness, connection, and the freedom to move beyond the roles we've been taught to perform.Efraín reflects on their own journey of returning to the brave, expressive child they were before the world began telling them who they were supposed to be. Gregory explores the difference between healing and becoming whole—and what it means to reclaim the parts of ourselves that were cut off by messages like "man up," "don't cry," and "don't be gay." Drawing inspiration from ALOK, they consider what queer experience can teach all of us about questioning the boxes we've inherited and finding greater freedom within ourselves. The conversation also explores men's need for connection and platonic touch, the grief that can accompany recognizing what we've lost, and why replacing "toxic masculinity" with another rigid model of "healthy masculinity" may simply be, as Gregory puts it, "redecorating the prison."The conversation ultimately turns toward relationship, systems, race, identity, and the danger of using our shared humanity to bypass the very real effects of patriarchy and oppression. Drawing on bell hooks, Gregory and Efraín ask what becomes possible when we confront those systems while refusing to reduce ourselves—or one another—to a single identity or binary.This is a conversation about becoming more human—not alone, but together.Show NotesIn this episode, Vincent welcomes Gregory Flynn, men's circle facilitator and founder of Men Connecting, alongside Efraín Gutiérrez, artist, facilitator, strategist, and founder of Divine Fluidity.Together they challenge one of the central assumptions of contemporary men's work: that the answer to harmful models of masculinity is simply to replace them with a healthier model.Instead, Gregory and Efraín explore what happens when men begin questioning the rules themselves. They discuss returning to the parts of ourselves we learned to hide, the gifts queer experience can offer conversations about masculinity, the importance—and complexity—of touch between men, and the grief that comes with recognizing what cultural expectations may have taken from us.The conversation expands beyond individual healing into connection, patriarchy, race, class, identity, and systems of domination. Rather than using our common humanity to erase those differences, Gregory argues that we have to move through them to understand how they shape and wound us. As Efraín reminds us near the end of the conversation, bell hooks' The Will to Change may contain the invitation in its title: we have to be willing to change.In this episode, you'll learn about:Why men's healing may be less about finding a new model of masculinity and more about becoming fully humanHow boys learn to mask, suppress, or abandon parts of themselves in order to belongThe difference between "healing" and becoming wholeWhat queer experience can teach us about freedom, ambiguity, and returning to ourselvesWhy ALOK's work has influenced Gregory, Efraín, and Vincent's thinking about gender and masculinityHow masculinity is often defined by what men are told not to beWhy platonic touch and physical connection between men can be powerful—and why it isn't right for everyoneHow grief can become a pathway toward reclaiming parts of ourselves we thought we'd lostWhy replacing toxic masculinity with a rigid definition of "healthy masculinity" risks creating another kind of prisonWhy connection, not individual self-improvement alone, is essential to healingHow patriarchy harms men while also creating systems that oppress othersWhy race, class, sexuality, and identity require nuance rather than another set of binariesWhat bell hooks' The Will to Change can teach us about the willingness required for transformationGuestsGregory Flynn joined his first men's circle in 2008 and has been facilitating them in various capacities since 2012. In 2020, at the onset of the pandemic, he founded Men Connecting, a men's circle that continues to meet weekly. In 2022 and 2023, he hosted The Bind, a podcast for men and their loved ones. He currently runs monthly drop-in men's circles as well as a six-week program for men in North Seattle.Gregory facilitates retreats and workshops for men and mixed-gender groups. He also supports organizations and leaders through culture change, executive and team coaching, leadership development, and other services.Learn more: circ.alEfraín Gutiérrez (they/he) is an artist, facilitator, and strategist working in service of liberation for all. Rooted in queerness and connection, their creative...
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