Today we are featuring a conversation with author, musicologist, and frequent contributor to Christianity Today, Kelsey Kramer McGinnis. Kelsey and Katy talk about all things church ministry and worship leading, especially as it pertains to women. They discuss why women can write worship songs and lead them, often praying and speaking between songs, but are not able to preach in certain faith spaces and how blurry that line really is. They also discuss topics like aging out of leadership, funny baby voice, tracks, tech in worship, and more.

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