Let's get to work--by which we mean, get thyself to the nearest studio/desk to create the work you need to make.

Jeremy and I are talking about developing your craft…. by so much practice. And we discuss what it really means for each of us to really sit in the chair and put down a first draft and/or a first pass at a collage. Because making art requires sweat!

We talk about how our artistic collaboration as a couple worked in the book, Knock at the Sky, which was not always smooth, and required a lot of communication and boundaries to make things work.

And we talk about why the practice of art-making is worth it... even if you have less than 1,000 instagram followers and even when you write the shittiest of shitty first drafts. (Like Liz does.)

We also discuss the fine art collages that precede Chapters 4, 5, and 6 in the book, Knock at the Sky.

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Notes:

We discussed Art and Fear by Ted Orland and David Bayles in this episode, and we highly recommend you buy and read it ASAP.

View the art (in color) from chapters 4, 5, and 6, and read an edited transcript of the episode at THEMPATHYLIST.COM

Buy the book: Knock at the Sky: Seeking God in Genesis After Losing Faith in the Bible by Liz Charlotte Grant.

Preorder fine art risograph prints of Jeremy Grant's collages (in black and blue).

Connect with Liz and Jeremy online.

Many thanks to our friend, Carin Huebner, for recording and editing this podcast.