In this episode, Chris and Candice go one-on-one for a candid conversation sparked by Chris’s recent Substack post, “Leading Through Our Fractures.” They open by grounding the moment in Black History Month, with Candice noting its significance and encouraging listeners to keep learning because Black history is American history. From there, the episode settles into a reflective, personal discussion about leadership, identity, and the real stories that shape how we show up at work.

Chris introduces the core idea behind “leading through our fractures”: the belief that leaders don’t become credible by appearing flawless—they become relatable by acknowledging what’s real. He connects this to the Japanese art of kintsugi, where broken pottery is repaired with gold, making the cracks part of the beauty rather than something to hide. Candice shares why this resonated so deeply: our flaws and missteps aren’t just baggage, they’re often the very things that make us uniquely grounded, empathetic, and effective—if we learn how to carry them with intention.

Together, they explore the tricky middle ground between being an authentic, vulnerable leader and oversharing in a way that becomes unsteady or inappropriate. Candice talks about learning where that line is by watching examples of what not to do, and by paying attention to feedback when she shares something personal in a way that helps others grow. They dig into empathy too—how it’s less about claiming you “know exactly how someone feels” and more about listening, asking questions, and letting your own experiences with challenge make you more compassionate without turning it into a comparison game.

The conversation gets personal as both reflect on how childhood experiences echo into adulthood leadership. Chris names the lingering impact of not being “picked” growing up, and how that quietly fueled a need for approval and expertise—until he learned to notice it and choose differently. He also brings in ideas from Positive Intelligence (and the notion of internal “saboteurs”), sharing how his own restlessness can push unnecessary change unless he checks his motives. They wrap on a lyrical note, referencing a line Candice highlighted—about broken pieces, scars, and harmony—underscoring the episode’s theme: when leaders embrace the cracks with honesty and boundaries, they don’t look weaker… they look more whole.

To read the article that inspired this epiosde, please visit https://thinkfeellead.substack.com/p/leading-through-our-fractures