Episode 129: Cale Hawkins - Songs, Stages, Studios
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Episode 129: Cale Hawkins - Songs, Stages, Studios
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Cale Hawkins is a songwriter and music producer based in New York City.
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(00:00) From western New York to New York City
(01:10) Discovering music, country, and the Beatles
(03:55) Taking music seriously as a kid
(05:05) Finding mentors at the Infinity Program
(07:15) Talent, improvisation, and learning from better musicians
(10:18) Why the Beatles remain the gold standard
(14:30) High school and choosing music professionally
(19:17) Knowing music was the only path
(20:29) Professionalism, listening, work ethic, and rejection
(24:35) The music industry’s unwritten rules
(26:40) Berklee, Derek Sivers, and moving faster
(31:25) Leaving Boston and starting over in New York
(35:08) Touring dreams and surviving through poker
(36:16) The Quincy Jones audition that changed everything
(38:40) Learning from the legendary Quincy Jones
(42:54) Marriage, touring, and putting down roots
(47:02) Making a long-distance marriage work
(48:09) Knowing when touring was no longer worthwhile
(50:32) Falling in love with producing music
(54:09) Making creativity financially sustainable
(59:26) Simplicity, songwriting, and unexpected passive income
(63:38) Redefining success as freedom and fulfillment