Nick and Alex Leyva unpack Bishop Gérald Caussé's BYU-Idaho devotional "I Saw Your Potential," which tells his personal story of meeting his wife Valérie 39 years ago. He describes himself as a nerdy, unattractive ward clerk who spent most of his time studying behind closed doors. When he asked Valérie how she fell in love with such an unattractive man, she answered, "I saw your potential."

In this episode of the Epic Marriage podcast, hosts Nick and Alex explore what it means to see divine potential in your spouse when you're frustrated by socks left around, different parenting styles, or daily challenges. Bishop Caussé draws parallels to Moses's encounter with God and the transformation promised in temple sealings. Successful eternal marriage requires tremendous faith: faith in your own potential, faith in your spouse's potential, and faith in Christ's atonement.

The Leyvas challenge listeners to pray for this experience if they haven't had it yet.

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Everyone leaves the temple holding hands. A temple matron told Jenny Oaks Baker this, and it stuck. When you grow closer to God, you grow closer together. That principle has anchored 27 years of marriage. In this episode of the Epic Marriage podcast, hosts Nick and Alex Leyva sit down with Jenny Oaks Baker, a Grammy-nominated violinist, and her husband Matt Baker, a CEO who manages both his company and logistics for Jenny's national tours.

Married for 27 years, they've raised four children who all perform professionally in their Christmas tour "Joy to the World." The Bakers share their four principles of marriage: time prioritization, choosing each other daily, loyalty strengthened by covenants, and an eternal perspective. Matt explains how supporting Jenny creates a ripple effect that reaches thousands. Jenny shares wisdom from her parents, including total loyalty and immediate conflict resolution. Plus, Matt's counterintuitive advice about going to bed angry but never alone.

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Nick and Alex Leyva sit down with Dr. Chelom Leavitt, a sex researcher and associate professor at BYU who has spent her career helping couples understand sexuality as something sacred, not taboo. Married for 36 years with nine children, Dr. Leavitt teaches that strong marriages don't happen by accident—they happen through daily intentional commitment.

This episode tackles why Latter-day Saints often miss out on understanding healthy sexuality despite having doctrine that should give us the deepest grasp of it. Dr. Leavitt explains how body and spirit combine to create the soul, and why our culture's rejection of marriage undermines personal development that only comes through covenant relationships.

The conversation explores the difference between conflict and contention—one brings couples closer while the other divides. Dr. Leavitt shares her 24-hour rule for handling disagreements and why being a "peacemaker" through avoidance only adds interest to unresolved problems. Marriage won't always make you happy, but it will make you holy if you let it.

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