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In this episode, Michele and Martin dive into the spiritual disease of dualism — the mental framework that tears us in two and trains us to see the world as ‘us’ versus ‘them.’

They explore how dualistic thinking has shaped Western Christianity, fueling fear, shame, and harmful labels like “ungodly” or “wicked.” Together they trace the roots of separation-thinking all the way back to the Eden story and unpack how Jesus’ teachings consistently move us back toward union, not distance and separation.

Their conversation hits on:

• How dualistic beliefs impact your mental and physical health
• How fear-of-punishment theology can promote disease
• Calvin’s Geneva and the dangers of legalism
• Why Jesus never treated people as impure — only unhealed
• God’s perfect love as the antidote to fear

If you’ve ever felt trapped by dualistic, fear-based Christianity, this episode offers clarity, compassion, and a breath of fresh air. Be made whole!