In this episode, I team up with former elite track cyclist and Olympic development coach Lee Povey for a powerful co-teaching session on success, leadership, and long-term career growth.

This conversation becomes a masterclass for trainers, coaches, and entrepreneurs who are in the grind — building, learning, and trying to take the next step.

Together, Ben and Lee break down the real phases of becoming a high-level coach and leader: finding your craft, becoming excellent, building systems, and eventually scaling your impact through leadership.

Lee brings decades of experience coaching athletes and founders, while Ben offers the modern-day perspective of someone actively building his fitness business in real time. The two viewpoints merge into a practical roadmap for anyone trying to grow.

If you’ve ever wondered when to push harder, when to pivot, why consistency matters more than intensity, or how to evolve from “just a trainer” into a true leader — this episode has your answers. It’s honest, relatable, validating, and loaded with actionable guidance.

In This Episode You’ll Learn:

• Why the early phases of your career feel messy — and why that’s normal

• The mindset shift from worker → builder → leader

• The real skills that separate great coaches from average ones

• How to stay committed when results are slow or invisible

• How to build systems instead of burning yourself out

• What Lee wishes he knew earlier in his own coaching journey

Who This Episode Is For:

Trainers, coaches, entrepreneurs, content creators, and anyone grinding toward a bigger future.

If you’re training clients in a park, editing your own content, questioning your direction, or trying to build a business brick by brick — this one is for you.

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