Jason Shepperd built a megachurch that has no small groups. Instead, more than 4,000 people across Houston meet weekly in dozens of house churches, each one led by an unpaid lay pastor with a day job: firefighters, business owners, real estate guys doing the actual pastoral work of the church. He calls it "a church of house churches" and it might be the most unusual functioning church structure in America.In this conversation, Jason sits down with Jeremy McCommons and Alex Rossie to break down how the model actually works, why he believes the traditional church model is broken, and what he learned reading the New Testament that he couldn't unsee.We get into:- Why a house church is fundamentally different from a small group- How lay pastors (firefighters, business owners, real estate guys) do the actual pastoring- Why Church Project runs on one-quarter the staff of a typical megachurch its size- Why Jason refuses to call this a "model he invented" and what he means by eDNA- How Church Project gives away nearly half its operating budget every year- Why most church buildings are bad stewardship (and how Church Project's building pays for itself)- The "three D's" that hold the whole structure together- What Jason would say to a 35-year-old church planter who's tired of the traditional modelIf you're a pastor, a small group leader, a church planter, or someone who's quietly wondering whether there's a better way to do church, this one is for you.⏱️ Timestamps:0:00 The stewardship of space and spiritual gifts1:15 Meet Jason Shepperd and Church Project3:30 What is the church, actually?8:45 Why Jason started Church Project12:10 What eDNA means and why it matters16:20 House church vs. small group: the real difference22:00 The three D's: distributed, decentralized, diverse28:40 Sunday gatherings without centralization33:15 What Jason says to pastors considering this model39:00 How Church Project handles finances44:30 Why most church buildings are bad stewardship49:00 Pirates and cruise ships: how to build without tearing down🔗 Resources:Jason Shepperd's site: https://jasonshepperd.comChurch Project Network: https://churchprojectnetwork.com"A Church of House Churches" by Jason Shepperd (book, available on Amazon)"Rethink & Return" podcast by Jason Shepperd📍 About Ordinary Movement:We help ordinary believers become disciples who make disciples. Free training, a simple discipleship process, and a global community of leaders. Start a group at https://ordinarymovement.com#HouseChurch #ChurchModel #ChurchPlanting #Discipleship #SmallGroups #ChurchLeadership