Most Christians feel stuck — reading, attending, doing all the right things, and still not actually changing. Jamie Winship calls it "The Primer Problem." And it's not about your effort. It's about your identity.Jamie Winship is a former FBI agent and founder of Identity Exchange who spent years working in high-stakes conflict zones across the Middle East — including raising his family in Baghdad. What he discovered about why people don't change applies directly to why most discipleship doesn't work.In this conversation, Jamie breaks down:- Why discipleship built on "sin management" fails — and what Jesus was actually doing with the disciples- The Primer Problem: why behavior change doesn't stick when identity hasn't been addressed first- The difference between Empire thinking and Kingdom thinking — and how to spot which one you're living in- Why "I'm stuck" is a lie, and what's actually going on beneath it- What confession really is (hint: it's not an apology)- How to hear from God — the four-stage Abiding practice (Attention, Awareness, Annunciation, Action)- The difference between performing peace and becoming a person of peace- A daily practice for moving out of fear and into who God says you areStart your own discipleship group → ordinarymovement.comLearn more about Jamie's work → identityexchange.com---TIMESTAMPS0:00 — Intro1:22 — Empire vs. Kingdom: The Big Problem6:40 — Why there are no movements of God in American cities10:45 — The lie of scarcity — and how it runs Christian life15:10 — Why you're not actually stuck (you're afraid)20:30 — What Jesus was really doing with the disciples26:00 — Produce vs. Become — what discipleship gets wrong33:15 — The Primer Problem: why behavior change doesn't stick38:00 — Identity: what God says about you vs. what the empire says40:20 — How to hear from God — the Abiding framework47:00 — Confession as truth-telling: Peter's story52:30 — Performing peace vs. being peace55:00 — Fear as a sensor — the daily practice57:00 — Where to go deeper---About Ordinary Movement:We've walked 1,600+ people through a discipleship process across 245 groups in 35 states. OM exists to help ordinary men and women become disciples who make disciples — no seminary required. Learn more at ordinarymovement.com.Ordinary Movement is a discipleship platform that equips men and women to be disciples who make disciples. Our focus is on supporting small groups led by ordinary/everyday Christians. We have specialized discipleship tracks that center around Intimacy with Jesus, Intentional Relationships, and Multiplication. Groups are designed for individuals to easily engage in leading groups.Ready to be a disciple who makes disciples?If so, come and join us!Visit ordinarymovement.com to learn more!#discipleship #disciplemaking #disciple