EP 018: Nicole Retter: Burnout Canaries, Supermum Lies and Building PAM From a Panic Attack
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This week we're joined by Nicole Retter, founder of PAM (Personal Admin Manager), one of New Zealand's top-ranked apps and a product built entirely from lived chaos.
Nicole takes us right back to the origin story: COVID, a husband who couldn't use either arm, two preschoolers, a piece of 4x2 wood wedged against a bedroom door, a panic attack, and then a concussion that gave her 12 months on the couch to figure out what she actually wanted to build.
In this episode we talk about:
- The mental load that never actually ends (it just changes shape at every life stage)
- What "supermum" really means, and why Nicole thinks it's the most insidious thing ever invented
- Burnout canaries, recognising your personal early warning signs before you hit the wall
- Why she deliberately limits what AI does inside PAM, and why throwing an LLM at a problem is not a strategy
- The overlap between mum mode and founder mode, and what snapping at your kids at the kitchen bench taught her about boundaries
- Authentic pitching vs scripted presentations, and why cookie-cutter kills personality
Plus Nicole's actual messy moment of the week: a logistical nightmare involving swimming pools, an Uber, a scooter, a closed Butterfly Creek, and a very sugar-hyped eight-year-old.
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