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In this episode, Hans welcomes back Travis McBride, a former Navy helicopter pilot turned insurance professional, for his third appearance and a conversation about annuities, guaranteed lifetime income, and why the order of your returns matters more than the average. Fresh off the birth of his son, Travis opens up about how fatherhood reframes the way he thinks about mortality and protecting the people who depend on you.

From there they get into sequence of return risk, including a live demo where shuffling the exact same 30 years of returns swings the outcome from $2.2 million left over to fully broke in 14 years, and why a guaranteed income floor lets you stay on the compounding curve right when it's most powerful.

Chapters:

00:00 – Opening segment

03:10 – Re-anchoring on why we plan: it's about the next generation

05:25 – Why $500K of SGLI won't set a family up

10:15 – What an annuity actually is: the inverse of life insurance

14:40 – The power of setting an income floor

18:30 – A brief history of annuities, from Rome to the modern pension gap

20:15 – When to consider an annuity: the 50 to mid-70s window

21:15 – No medical underwriting: annuities are priced on age alone

25:15 – The 4% rule and where it falls apart

26:05 – Sequence of return risk explained with a live shuffle

28:45 – Same data, wildly different outcomes

30:50 – Why the Series 65 teaches nothing about insurance or annuities

35:00 – Trade-offs exist everywhere, even in a Roth IRA and 401(k)

39:50 – Mortality credits: the third form of return

45:30 – Payouts are tied to the 10-year Treasury at purchase

46:40 – The 1035 exchange: upgrading an old, uncompetitive annuity

50:00 – Closing segment

Key Takeaways:

The order of your returns can matter more than the returns themselves. Take the same 30 years of market data and simply shuffle the sequence, and the outcome swings from leaving $2.2 million behind to running out of money in 14 years.

An annuity is the inverse of life insurance, and it's the only chassis that guarantees income for life. Where a $1 million portfolio using the 4% rule cautiously pulls $40,000 a year and still might run dry, that same $1 million can buy a fully guaranteed $77,000 a year that keeps paying as long as you're alive.

A guaranteed income floor buys you flexibility everywhere else. Once your baseline needs are covered for life, you no longer have to run conservative with the rest of the portfolio.

$500K of group life insurance is not a plan. In a high cost of living area, half a million won't maintain a family's lifestyle, and most people aren't even capped out there.

If your parents bought an annuity, get it reviewed. Payouts are locked to the 10-year Treasury yield at the time of purchase, so annuities bought in low-rate years are often badly uncompetitive today.