I sat down with Matt McNally, Global CEO of Publicis Health, for one of those conversations that goes way deeper than résumés and titles.

We talked about drive — what it actually is, where it comes from, and how not to let it run you into the ground.

Matt’s journey starts in Philadelphia selling gym memberships, moves through the early days of digital at Razorfish, and eventually leads him to healthcare marketing — a pivot shaped in part by his mom’s battle with rare cancer. That loss changed how he saw his work, his ambition, and his purpose.

We get into the real stuff:

• How childhood insecurity and growing up gay shaped his edge
• The mindset shift that helped him stop “snowballing”
• What burnout actually looks like at the CEO level
• Slowing down in small, intentional moments
• Why kindness is non‑negotiable in leadership

Matt shares what EQ leadership really means, why CEOs are often misunderstood, and how curiosity is the secret to longevity — not just in business, but in life.

For me, this episode is about redefining drive. Not hustle at all costs. Not ego. Not title-chasing.

Drive with intention.
Drive with awareness.
Drive without losing yourself.

If you care about leadership, ambition, mental resilience, or just being a better human while doing big things — this one’s for you.

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