In this episode Clay is joined by Alex DeVitry. Alex is currently studying international conflict resolution, foreign policy and diplomacy, and the Middle East at Columbia's School of International and Public Affairs (SIPA). He also writes excellent articles on the many nuances of political violence in the 21st century on his Substack.

Alex is a man with an outstandingly fascinating and unique origin story. He was raised in a fundamentalist sect of Islam, and at the age of 16 moved to Saudi Arabia to study Arabic language and Islamic theology. Tune in to this conversation to find out more about his journey from Arabia to Columbia.

If you want to hear Alex's insightful analysis of recent events in Iran, political violence, Islam's place in the West, and much more, then this is the episode for you!

Books mentioned in this episode:

• Understanding Salafism: Seeking the Path of the Pious Predecessors - Yasir Qadhi
• Why Intelligence Fails: Lessons from the Iranian Revolution and the Iraq War - Robert Jervis
• On Violence - Hannah Arendt
• Imagined Communities: Reflections on the Origin and Spread of Nationalism - Benedict Anderson

Other things mentioned:

• War on the Rocks - podcast
• Repression Works (Just Not in Moderation) - academic article by Yuri M. Zhukov
• Exploring the Quran and the Bible - Professor Gabriel Said Reynolds' YouTube channel
• Kwame Anthony Appiah - philosopher and writer
  • Cosmopolitanism: Ethics in a World of Strangers

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In this episode the boys discuss the recent ICE killing in Minneapolis. How do we make sense of it? Was it justified?

Anthony sheds some light on what it's like dealing with people online when you have a lot of followers (or "disciples" as Clay puts it).

Finally, the lads take a little time to discuss what they've been writing about recently. Check out their Substacks!

• Anthony's Substack
• Clay's Substack
  • Allow Me To Elaborate

Mentioned in this episode:

• Robert E. Lee and Me

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  • A short, easy read that will arm you with the rhetorical weapons you need to fight against censorship.
• Psychobabble: Viral Mental Health Myths & the Truths to Set You Free - Joe Nucci
  • A fascinating look at all the mental health BS you see on your social media feeds. Joe does a great job of setting the record straight.
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• The End of the World Is Just the Beginning: Mapping the Collapse of Globalization - Peter Zeihan
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