Welcome back to Devil’s Advocate, where the only rule is that you must argue the side you definitely don’t believe. This week, chaos reaches new heights as hosts Bobby Steinbach and Andrew Nasrinpay turn the tables on themselves… going head-to-head in a no-mercy debate that jumps from a controversial book to the future of legal marketing.

Armed with nothing but sarcasm and the dreaded Wheel of Misfortune, Bobby and Andrew are forced to defend positions they’d normally roast each other for.

One minute they’re arguing whether Mein Kampf belongs in high school curriculums (yeah, it gets spicy fast), the next they’re sparring over SEO budgets, law firm consolidation, and whether a $15k website is a smart investment or an expensive mid-life crisis.

📚 Controversial Classics
Should Mein Kampf ever be taught in high school or is this debate already a tripwire?

💻 SEO vs. Everything Else
Is SEO the backbone of law firm marketing… or the most overrated money pit in the industry?

🏢 The Future of Law Firms
Will consolidation wipe out solos, or is the AI revolution actually their secret weapon?

🎟️ Conference Chaos
Are legal conferences unmatched networking gold or expensive adult field trips with business cards?

🚿 Shower Etiquette Throwdown
A simple household disagreement becomes a full-on philosophical battle (yes, seriously).

Final Verdict:
Bobby valiantly argued that conferences are best for networking (unless you hate people), Andrew tried to redefine “meaningful connection,” and the real winner turned out to be the legal tech subscription… because apparently, nobody can afford to network without it.

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Featured Guests (aka Your Hosts):
Bobby Steinbach, Founder of MeanPug Digital

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/steinbachr

Andrew Nasrinpay, Partner at MeanPug Digital

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrew-nasrinpay-a3162953

Welcome to Devil’s Advocate — the only legal show where lawyers are forced to argue AGAINST what they actually believe… and the results are completely unhinged.

This week, Chicago divorce attorneys Russell Knight and Rahul Iyer battle it out over:

💔 Joint custody laws and mental health in divorce

💃 Sex work and marketing transparency

🌱 Whether EVERYONE should go plant-based to save the planet

And if that’s not wild enough — we spin the Wheel of Misfortune 🎡

One spin = one hot topic = one very bad take they have to defend.

It’s courtroom chaos meets comedy cage match, with a surprise argument over the word “floopery.”

⚖️ Part legal masterclass. Part roast battle. 100% chaos.

⚖️ Divorce Court Dilemmas
Should joint custody be the default—or does “one-size-fits-all” just make things messier?

🧠 Mental Health & Marriage
Should mental health influence custody or settlements? Both say yes… just not for the same reasons.

🌱 The Great Plant-Based Debate
Does going vegan make you virtuous—or just unbearably smug?

💼 Marketing Mayhem
Do lawyers need full transparency from their marketing teams—or should they just trust the process?

💋 Sex Work & Freedom of Choice
Should it be legal? Cue the fireworks.

💬 Word of the Month: “Floopery”
Chaotic clumsiness? Shapeless nonsense? However you define it, this episode has plenty.

Final Verdict:
Russell dropped the ultimate mic with “This is America,” Rahul made “floopery” the trending word no one knew we needed, and Bobby & Andrew just hoped someone might actually stick to the rules of the game for once.

Psst! Got a devilish topic you want our guests to debate in a future episode? Comment of DM us with #DevilsAdvocate or send us a smoke signal. Or just email us like a normal person at bark@meanpug.com.

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Featured Guests:
Russell Knight, Divorce and Family Law Attorney at Law Office of Russell D Knight

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/russell-d-knight
• Website: https://rdklegal.com

Rahul Iyer, Divorce and Family Law Attorney at STG Divorce Law

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rahulaiyer
• Website: https://www.stglawfirm.com

This week on Devil’s Advocate, chaos meets courtroom logic as Will Smith (no, not that one) and Rob Schenk spin the Wheel of Misfortune and go head-to-head on some of the legal world’s quirkiest and thorniest questions. From strict liability in nursing homes to whether $15,000 is actually a fair price for a law firm website, no topic is safe.

Along the way, they debate AI’s place in pre-litigation, the ethics of running Google Ads on competitors’ names, and whether Taylor Swift or Kanye West deserves the cultural crown (plus one very embarrassing gas station story).

Oh, and don’t miss the debut of a brand-new legal term: “dravicular” — trust us, you’ll never look at a frantic drive home the same way again.

🐅Liability Gone Wild
What do nursing homes and exotic animals have in common? Our debaters make the case in ways you’ll never forget.

🤖 AI on Trial
Can robots really take over pre-litigation—or are we trusting the untrustworthy?

🤑 The $15,000 Website
One lawyer calls it smart investment, the other calls it madness. Who’s right?

🎤 Pop Culture Meltdown: Tay vs. Ye
Does Rob actually know anything about either of them??

🎬 Will vs. Will
“Independence Day” or “I Am Legend”—which blockbuster takes the crown?

💩 A New Word Is Born
Don’t worry, you’ll laugh—and maybe cringe—when you hear their definitions of “dravicular”.

Final Verdict:
This one’s too close to call—Will scored Swiftie points, Rob owned the tiger analogies, and “dravicular” might just make it into Black’s Law Dictionary. Let’s call it a hung jury… and let the listeners decide who really won.

Psst! Got a devilish topic you want our guests to debate in a future episode? Comment of DM us with #DevilsAdvocate or send us a smoke signal. Or just email us like a normal person at bark@meanpug.com.

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New episodes of Devil’s Advocate dropping every month! Come for the chaos, stay for the accidental insight.

Featured Guests:
Rob Schenk, Attorney at Schenk Nursing Home Abuse Law

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertlschenk
• Website: https://www.schenkfirm.com

Will Smith, Senior Legal Counsel at Berry Law

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/will-smith-a9379aa
• Website: https://jsberrylaw.com