Racial bias is not always loud or obvious, but it still shapes how people are seen, treated, believed, and included. In this Season 13 opener of DEI After 5, Sacha Thompson talks with Dr. Evelyn Carter, social psychologist and author of Was That Racist?: How to Detect, Interrupt, and Unlearn Bias in Everyday Life, about how bias works, how it connects to power, and why historical context still matters.

Together, they unpack the difference between racial bias and racism, how current events reveal deeper patterns of exclusion, and why understanding history helps us better understand the present. The conversation also touches on voting access, gender, policy, and the importance of asking better questions when something feels “off.”

DEI After 5 is back for Season 13—and this season will look a little different. We’re revisiting timely conversations from past seasons, bringing in new guests, and exploring what the future of DEI, inclusion, workplace culture, and psychological safety looks like in today’s anti-DEI climate. Tune in as we ask what’s changing, what still matters, and where we go from here.

The language around workplace culture may keep changing, but the real work has not gone away. Employees still want to feel respected, recognized, supported, and safe enough to tell the truth about their experiences.

In this replay episode of DEI After 5, Sacha Thompson reflects on the future of this work and why organizations need more than one-off workshops or performative statements. The conversation explores the shift toward deeper culture transformation, trust rebuilding, accountability, and repair after harm.

This episode is about what it takes to build a true culture of care—one where leaders align their actions with their values, employees feel seen and heard, and organizations create conditions where people can contribute without constantly bracing themselves.