Talia locks Emma and Beth (she/her) into a call so she can ramble at them about lesbian feminism and feminist history for hours (again). She goes over the history of Michfest, the sin for which all lesbians must now answer, whether or not we attended the bloody thing or were even in the US while it was happening. In discussing the transfem-exclusionary policy of only admitting "womyn born womyn", the three of them reckon with the politics of separatism, class, race, and why it's important to not fuck the people you're protesting against.

Sources:

Michelle Tea, Transmissions from Camp Trans

Minnie Bruce Pratt, S/He

Jocelyn Macdonald, Setting the Record Straight About MichFest

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Emma and Talia bring you an interview with the one-third of the bestselling author of The Hades Calculus Maria Ying, about lesbian futurism, not-so-feminist Greek myth retellings, and how the past is a foreign country (so you can be orientalist about it)! They are joined by Callisto Khan (she/her, @callistokhan.bsky.social) to discuss the Gunmetal Olympus series and the upcoming The Persephone Effect, out this January!

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Initially, this episode was intended to be exclusive to Patreon. However, given its subject matter, we decided to instead release it to early access and then publicly. Happy holidays!

For the Patreon companion episode, Emma, Talia and Lucy dive into Max Robinson's misguided nostalgia tour of the second wave's worst offerings. Robinson attempts to pen a sequel to Janice Raymond's The Transsexual Empire that talks about how we can choose to escape patriarchy if we all just try hard enough, how people transition because they think "FTMs" are taken more seriously than women, and how to run a detransition cult.

Sources:

Max Robinson, Detransition: Beyond Before And After, 2021.

Ky Schevers, Statement about Lane Lloyd - https://kyschevers.medium.com/statement-about-lane-lloyd-1f8d4d67137b

Sarah Hoagland, Lesbian Ethics: Towards New Value, 1988.

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