About the Episode: What if the goal was never to fit in? Lindsay sits down with sociologist and author Dr. Bianca Mabute-Louie to talk about her book Unassimilable: An Asian Diasporic Manifesto for the Twenty-First Century and her call for Asian Americans to stop earning their place in America and start building belonging on their own terms.

Bianca shares how growing up in the San Gabriel Valley, and watching her grandmother speak Cantonese everywhere without apology, shaped the book. She explains why the “good immigrant” narrative that surfaced during COVID-19 felt so wrong, and what it cost her to use her voice when her spiritual community took a stance she could not accept. The conversation closes with why ethnic studies matters more urgently than ever and Bianca’s vision for a world built on ownership of our labor, connection, and communities of care.

About Dr. Bianca Mabute-Louie

Dr. Bianca Mabute-Louie is a sociologist, author, speaker,and scholar activist whose research examines social movements, race, immigration, religion, and politics. Her work has appeared in academic journals including Social Forces,Socius, Sociology of Race and Ethnicity, and Sociology of Religion, as well as in public outlets such as the LA Times and Elle.

Her book Unassimilable: An Asian Diasporic Manifesto for the Twenty-First Century (HarperCollins, 2025) blends manifesto and memoir to challenge assimilation and offer a vision of Asian diasporic identity rooted in cross-racial solidarity and collectivecare. It was featured as NPR’s Book of the Day and on NPR’s All Things Considered, KQED, and Book Riot, and Ms. Magazine named it one of the most anticipated feminist books of 2025.

Raised in the San Gabriel Valley, Bianca attended Mills College in Oakland, studied Asian American Studies at San Francisco State University, and earned her PhD at Rice University. She learned to teach through community-based ethnic studies, co-teaching Filipino American studies in San Francisco public high schools with the Pinoy/Pinay Educational Partnerships, and later taught Asian American history at City College of San Francisco. She now lives in Houston and hosts the podcast Mothering NewWorlds, a show about revolutionary caregiving and world-building in the midst of societal collapse.

Connect with Dr. Mabute-Louie

Website and Book: biancaml.com
Substack: beyonkz.substack.com
Podcast: Mothering New Worlds, available on Spotify and Apple Podcasts

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In this episode, three leaders from the Hawai’i Health & Harm Reduction Center (H3RC) talk about what it means to be māhū or transgender in Hawai’i today. They explain why Native Hawaiian culture’s long-held acceptance is colliding with imported beliefs, and what real allyship looks like for AsianAmericans who share the AANHPI label but not the same history.

We talk about what māhū means and why the English word “transgender” doesn’t fully capture it. We look at the difference between Hawaiian culture and “local” culture, shaped by plantation history and missionary influence, and the contradiction of people who say “māhū is okay, but trans is not.” Maddie describes “revving up,” the mental labor trans and māhū people do just to walk out the door. Kekoa explains how federal data cuts are erasing trans communities from HIV care. Kunane shares why harm reduction means walking alongside people instead of dictating their path. We also learn the meaning behind Kua’ana: an older sibling of the same experience who helps the younger one reach their potential.

For Asian American listeners, the call is to right-size ourselves, which means knowing when to step forward and when to step back. We share a label with Native Hawaiians, not a story. One is a diasporic history; the other is the history of an Indigenous people who were colonized. As Kunane puts it, courage can mean carrying it for someone else until they can carry it themselves.

About Hawai’i Health & Haram Reduction Center

​The Hawai'i Health & Harm Reduction Center serves Hawai’i communities by reducing the harm and fighting the stigma of HIV, hepatitis, homelessness, substance use, mentalillness, and poverty in our community. We focus our efforts on those disproportionately affected by social determinants of health, including but not limited to: people living with and/or affected by HIV, hepatitis, substance use, and the transgender, LGBQIA+ and the Native Hawaiian communities. They foster health, wellness, and systemic change in Hawai’i and the Pacific through care services, advocacy, training, prevention, education, and capacity building.

Website: https://www.hhhrc.org/

About the Team

Kunane Dreyer is Deputy Director of Programs at H3RC andhas worked in HIV and hepatitis C prevention for more than 20 years. He recently built two new programs addressing houselessness on O’ahu. He received the 2025 Suzanne Richmond Crum Award from the Hawai’i Department of Health and the 2023 Circle of Harmony Award.

Maddie Sesapasara has served her community since 1998 andjoined H3RC in 2005. She now leads the Kua’ana Project, H3RC’s transgender services program, and testified in support of Hawai’i’s gender-affirming care shield law.

Kekoa Kealoha is the Ryan White Administrative Manager atH3RC, with more than 11 years in HIV care and prevention. Guided by a decolonial approach, he advocates for Kanaka Ōiwi and LGBTQIA+ communities from the Hawai’i State Capitol to the U.S. Capitol.

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Kuleana is a Hawaiian word for responsibility, and award -winning journalist and author Sara Kehaulani Goo describes it as generational: what we owe those who came before us, those beside us now, and those who come after. In her memoir Kuleana: A Story of Family, Land, and Legacy in Old Hawai’i , Sara follows her family’s effort to hold onto land in Hana, Maui, granted to her ancestor more than 175 years ago, and how a royal grant of 990 acres became the 10 acres her grandmother wished to keep within the family.

In this episode, Sara shares how she found the original land grant in a manila folder in her great-uncle’s living room, and why so many Native Hawaiian families can no longer afford to stay in Hawai’i. We talk about interviewing her grandmother before she died, feeling torn between an East Coast career andthe place that kept calling her home, and why she didn’t want her kids to be “Hawaiian in name only.” That led her to learn hula alongside them, 5,000 miles from Hawai’i. Sara also explains why hula is how Hawaiian stories were carried, not a performance, and leaves us with the question at the heart of her book: what is your kuleana?

About Sara Kehaulani Goo:

Sara Kehaulani Goo is an award-winning journalist, senior news executive, and author of Kuleana: A Story of Family, Land, and Legacy in Old Hawai’i , a memoir about her family’s Native Hawaiian land and legacy. She has led several national news organizations, including Axios, NPR, and The WashingtonPost (WP), and is now President of the WP Creator Network at The Washington Post, a new business outside the newsroom focused on content partnerships with independent creators. She was previously editor-in-chief at Axios, where she launched the company’s editorial expansion into national and local newsletters, podcasts, and live journalism. Before Axios, she was a managing editor at NPR, overseeing the newsroom’s digital news operation and online audience growth. Goo started her career as a reporter for The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal.

Connect with Sara:

Website: https://www.saragoo.com/

IG: https://www.instagram.com/saragoo.author/

LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/saragoo

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