Should church leaders be fearful of another "conversion therapy" ban? How can you leave your role well? What should preachers wear?

In this episode, Phil Topham (FIEC Executive Director), John Stevens (FIEC National Director), and Adrian Reynolds (FIEC Associate National Director) discuss stories in the news and what lessons we can learn for church leadership.

Show notes

• Leaders' Conference 2026 (FIEC)
• Rising Lights 2027 (FIEC)
• Local Conference videos (FEIC)
• Jail time and unlimited fines planned under conversion practices ban (BBC)
• Ben Stokes: England captain reveals 'tough' decisions behind international retirement and why it is 'best thing' for him (Sky Sports)
• Angela Tilby: How clergy dress sends a message (Church Times)
• Pastoral Attire with Kyle McClellan (Practical Shepherding podcast)

About In:Dependence: In:Dependence is FIEC’s official podcast, where you’ll hear conversations on topics for church leaders.

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00:00 - FIEC update

02:52 - Revisiting a ban on 'conversion therapy'

12:45 - Facing repeated opposition

19:36 - Ben Stokes and leaving badly

27:45 - What should church leaders wear?