In this episode of Conversations, I explore the difference between building crowds and making disciples. While many churches measure success by attendance and engagement, Jesus’ mission in Matthew 28 was clear: make disciples.

We talk about why Sunday services cannot carry the full weight of spiritual formation, how Jesus modeled relational discipleship, and why proximity, accountability, and shared life are essential for real growth. This conversation challenges pastors and church leaders to rethink how discipleship actually happens and how churches can prioritize formation over attendance.

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In this episode of Conversations, I sit down with Al Gordon, pastor of SAINT Church and author of Spark, to talk about the lie many people believe: “I’m not creative.”

We explore why creativity is central to being made in the image of God, how the Church has lost its edge in this area, and what it looks like to rediscover imagination, execution, and collaboration in today’s world.

If you’re a pastor, leader, or creative, this conversation will help you unlock your God-given creativity and take your next step with clarity and confidence.

If this conversation resonates with you, I’d strongly encourage you to pick up Al’s book Spark: https://algordon.co/

In this episode of Conversations, I answer 10 real questions submitted through Instagram about leadership, church planting, marriage, and navigating seasons of change. This is an honest, unfiltered conversation where I process out loud about calling, uncertainty, emotional health, and what leadership looks like behind the scenes.

We discuss how to discern when God is leading you into a new season, leaving what is familiar to build something new, leading without a clear roadmap, and handling disappointment when leadership decisions affect people. I also share practical thoughts on protecting marriage during transitions, healthy boundaries, emotional resilience, leadership availability, and what it means to feel called but unqualified.

If you are a pastor, church leader, church planter, or someone navigating change, this episode will encourage you to lead with faithfulness, humility, and clarity rather than pressure or comparison.

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