In this episode, we dive into The New Stack’s article “Why CI/CD Alone Won’t Cut It for Infrastructure as Code” — and we’ve got thoughts. We share personal stories from our time working with CI/CD pipelines across different roles, and explore what really works when it comes to deploying infrastructure safely and effectively.

We break down where we agree (and disagree) with the author, chat about the hidden challenges of applying traditional CI/CD to Infrastructure as Code, and share real-world examples of how things can go wrong — and how to make them right.

Plus, we talk about the tools, workflows, and cultural practices that can help teams treat IaC with the care and structure it deserves.

Article to follow along: https://thenewstack.io/why-ci-cd-alone-wont-cut-it-for-infrastructure-as-code/

In this conversation, Josh Warhurst and Jesse Cafarelli explore the evolving role of full stack engineers within the context of DevOps. They discuss the importance of cross-functional skills, the challenges of being a full stack engineer, and the real-world implications of these roles in software development. The conversation also touches on the significance of understanding organizational health, metrics, and best practices in DevOps, as well as strategies for overcoming blockers in development processes. Through personal anecdotes and industry examples, they highlight the journey to becoming a full stack engineer and the value of embracing a DevOps mindset.

Summary

In this episode, Joshua and Jesse discuss 'The Phoenix Project,' a novel that explores the world of DevOps through engaging storytelling. They analyze key characters, particularly Brent, who embodies the challenges of being a crucial yet overburdened team member. The conversation delves into themes of process constraints, the balance between security and development, and the importance of documentation in a startup environment. They also touch on the theory of constraints and recommend additional reading materials that complement the insights from 'The Phoenix Project.'