In this episode, hosts Jon Orr and Yvette Lehman unpack a tension that’s been debated in math education for decades: conceptual understanding vs. procedural fluency.

Yvette shares a powerful realization from her math classroom experience: in striving to teach conceptually, she may have unintentionally neglected opportunities for students to build automaticity and recall. Meanwhile, Jon highlights the importance of helping students move fluidly between visual models, strategies, and algorithms.

Together, they explore:

• Why the “either/or” debate in math instruction is a false dichotomy
• How different learners benefit from different approaches
• What happens when math teaching becomes too rigid in one direction
• The role of tutoring, parents, and community partners in shaping math success
• Why strong math instruction should leverage strengths while building other proficiencies
• How educators can balance reasoning, understanding, and efficiency

This conversation is a reminder that great math teaching isn’t about choosing sides—it’s about creating access, building flexibility, and meeting students where they are.

👉 What if the real goal isn’t picking a side… but helping students move between them?

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