In this episode of Cougars Uncaged, the Den Dwellers sit down with Cleary University President Alan Drimmer and Head Men’s Basketball Coach Carl Thomas for a conversation filled with momentum, heart, and humor. Fresh off the release of Cleary’s strategic plan and the men’s basketball team’s biggest win yet over nationally ranked Indiana Tech, both guests reflect on what these milestone moments mean for the university and its future.

Coach Thomas shares what it has been like to build a program from the ground up, emphasizing grit, belief, and a “let’s go to work” mindset. President Drimmer reflects on his five-year journey at Cleary and why the university has become such a meaningful part of his life. Together, they highlight the people of Cleary as the institution’s greatest strength and discuss what makes the campus culture so personal and student-centered.

The episode also dives into lighter topics, including music, favorite campus spots, dream travel destinations, and rapid-fire questions, while still making room for some deeper and more meaningful reflections. Coach Thomas opens up about the influence of his grandmother and father, sharing how their values shaped his life, work ethic, and commitment to education. President Drimmer reflects on the teachers who challenged and inspired him, and how discomfort can often be part of true growth.

From jazz and game-day playlists to leadership, family, education, and vision for the future, this episode offers a powerful look at two leaders helping shape Cleary in very different but complementary ways. It is a fun, thoughtful, and inspiring conversation that gives listeners a deeper look at the people behind the titles.