We’re joining podcasts around the world in tandem with the 80th United Nations General Assembly, to ask a vital question: where do we find hope in challenging times? We explore how cities are implementing Herman Daly’s revolutionary economic theories.

Featured in this episode:

Karen Daly Junker, Herman and Marcia’s youngest daughter

Terri Daly Stewart, Herman and Marcia’s eldest daughter

Denis Daly Heyck, Herman’s sister

David Batker, Ecological economist

Katherine Trebeck, Political economist

Leonora Grcheva, Cities & Regions Lead at DEAL

Kate Raworth, Co-founder of DEAL

Katy Shields, Regenerative Economist

Cindy Acab, Waste to Resources Network Senior Manager at C40

Cllr. Susan Aitken, Leader of Glasgow City Council

Takehiko Nagumo, Director of Smart Cities Institute Japan

Joshua Farley, Ecological Economist

Gaya Herrington, Ecological economist

Angelos Varvarousis, Research Fellow at UAB

Tim Jackson, Ecological economist

Clóvis Cavalcanti, Ecological economist

John Redwood, Former employee of the World Bank

Jon Sward, Environment Project Manager at the Bretton Woods Project

Peter May, Ecological economist

Brian Czech, Executive Director of CASSE

Thank you to the Daly family for their generous support in sharing Herman’s story.

Thank you also to our series consultants and fact checkers, Peter Harnik, Rob Dietz, and Peter Victor, who also graciously supplied the interview tape with Herman Daly, recorded in 2022.

If you want to learn more about the Journal of City Climate Policy and Economy, please visit our website: https://jccpe.utpjournals.press/

Cities 1.5 is produced by the University of Toronto Press and Cities 1.5 is supported by C40 Cities and the C40 Centre for City Climate Policy and Economy. You can sign up to the Centre newsletter here. https://thecentre.substack.com/

Cities 1.5 is hosted by David Miller, Managing Director of the C40 Centre and author of the book Solved. It's written and produced by Peggy Whitfield and Jess Schmidt: https://jessdoespodcasting.com/

Our executive producer is Chiara Morfeo.

Edited by Morgane Chambrin: https://www.morganechambrin.com/

Cities 1.5 music is by Lorna Gilfedder: https://origamipodcastservices.com/

We follow Herman Daly into one of the last places you’d expect to find a rebel economist: the World Bank. We will hear how the academic work of Herman’s sister, Denis Daly Heyck, impacted on his worldview. We’ll also see how this fused with Herman’s own experiences teaching in Brazil, and the building of pan-American ecological and human rights movements to fuel him to advocate for policy and philosophical changes at the Bank - culminating in his famous farewell speech.

Featured in this episode:

Karen Daly Junker & Terri Daly Stewart, Herman and Marcia’s daughters

Jon Sward, Environment Project Manager at the Bretton Woods Project

Denis Daly Heyck (Deni), Professor Emeritus of Spanish language & literature

David Batker, Ecological economist

John Redwood, Former World Bank employee

Robert Costanza, Ecological economist

Clóvis Cavalcanti, Ecological economist

Peter May, Ecological economist

Kate Raworth, DEAL co-founder

Joshua Farley, Ecological economist

Xiye Bastida, Climate justice activist

Thank you to the Daly family for their generous support in sharing Herman’s story.

Thanks also to: C40's Barbara Barros for voicing Marcia Daly’s email in this episode; Denis Daly Heyck for providing the images for our episode art; and to Nate Hagens and the team behind The Great Simplification podcast for granting us permission to use a clip from their show.

Thank you also to our series consultants and fact checkers, Peter Harnik, Rob Dietz, and Peter Victor, who also graciously supplied the interview tape with Herman Daly, recorded in 2022.

Media citations by order of appearance:

(That'll Work) (Live), Chuck Brown

The Heritage Foundation - “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!”

The Great Simplification: “Toward an Ecological Economics”

If you want to learn more about the Journal of City Climate Policy and Economy, please visit our website: https://jccpe.utpjournals.press/

Cities 1.5 is produced by the University of Toronto Press and Cities 1.5 is supported by C40 Cities and the C40 Centre for City Climate Policy and Economy. You can sign up to the Centre newsletter here. https://thecentre.substack.com/

Cities 1.5 is hosted by David Miller, Managing Director of the C40 Centre and author of the book Solved. It's written and produced by Peggy Whitfield and Jess Schmidt: https://jessdoespodcasting.com/

Our executive producer is Chiara Morfeo.

Edited by Morgane Chambrin: https://www.morganechambrin.com/

Cities 1.5 music is by Lorna Gilfedder: https://origamipodcastservices.com/

We rejoin Herman Daly in the late 1970s - a tumultuous time for our renegade economist. Partnering with theologian John Cobb Jr., Daly began to rebuild economics from the ground up, reframing it around values, community, and the planet that sustains us.

Woven through this intellectual journey are stories of faith, family, and friendship that helped Daly persevere. We hear how he sparked a global community of scholars and inspired whole new movements, ranging from wellbeing and regenerative economics to the circular economy and doughnut economics.

Featured in this episode:

Gaya Herrington, Wellbeing economist & thought leader

Jennie King, Senior Fellow at ISD

Peter Victor, Ecological economist & author of Herman Daly’s Economics for a Full World

Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Global Ambassador for The Club of Rome

Robert Costanza, Ecological economist

Terri Daly Stewart, Senior Occupational Therapist, and Herman and Marcia’s eldest daughter

Karen Daly Junker, Senior Manager of Provenance Research at the Virginia Museum of Fine Arts, and Herman and Marcia’s youngest daughter

Brian Czech, Executive Director of CASSE

Rob Dietz, Program Director at the Post-Carbon Institute and co-host of Crazy Town

Colvis Cavalcanti, Ecological economist

Katy Shields, Regenerative economist, and co-creator/host of Tipping Point

Katherine Trebeck, Political economist

Thank you to the Daly family for their generous support in sharing Herman’s story, and to Barbara Barros, C40 Global Head of Adaptation Finance, for voicing Marcia Daly’s email in this episode.

Thank you also to our series consultants and fact checkers, Peter Harnik, Rob Dietz, and Peter Victor, who also graciously supplied the interview tape with Herman Daly, recorded in 2022.

Visit the Cities 1.5 podcast page on UTP’s website for the media citations used in this episode.

If you want to learn more about the Journal of City Climate Policy and Economy, please visit our website: https://jccpe.utpjournals.press/

Cities 1.5 is produced by the University of Toronto Press and Cities 1.5 is supported by C40 Cities and the C40 Centre for City Climate Policy and Economy. You can sign up to the Centre newsletter here. https://thecentre.substack.com/

Cities 1.5 is hosted by David Miller, Managing Director of the C40 Centre and author of the book Solved. It's written and produced by Peggy Whitfield and Jess Schmidt: https://jessdoespodcasting.com/

Our executive producer is Chiara Morfeo.

Edited by Morgane Chambrin: https://www.morganechambrin.com/

Cities 1.5 music is by Lorna Gilfedder: https://origamipodcastservices.com/