Guy-Uriel Charles is the Charles J. Ogletree Jr. Professor of Law at Harvard Law School, where he also directs the Charles Hamilton Institute for Race and Justice. Along with a coauthor, he’s also working on a book that focuses on the past and future of voting rights. He was appointed by President Joe Biden to the Presidential Commission on the Supreme Court of the United States.

Rick Hasen is Gary T. Schwartz Distinguished Professor of Law at the UCLA School of Law, and he also directs the Safeguarding Democracy Project. He is an expert on election law, and is the author of A Real Right to Vote: How a Constitutional Amendment Can Safeguard American Democracy.

We discuss Section 2 of the Voting Rights, and the aftermath of the Supreme Court's Louisiana v. Callais decision.

OTHER LINKS
--"House Majority Leader William Lamberth cannot answer several questions from Rep. Jesse Chism (D)," from YouTube
--Louisiana v. Callais (et al.), Supreme Court opinion, decided April 29, 2026
--"Pathological racism, chronic racism, & targeted universalism," (2021) by Guy-Uriel Charles and Luis Fuentes Rohwer, in the California Law Review
--Social dominance, (1999) by Jim Sidanius & Felicia Pratto, Cambridge University Press
--Wikipedia summary of Rucho v. Common Cause
--"Callais confusion, power-sharing, and the inevitability of proportional representation," (2026) by Guy-Uriel E. Charles, Luis Fuentes-Rohwer, Michael Latner & Carlos Algara, in the Yale Law Journal
--Wikipedia summary of proportional representation
--A Real Right to Vote: How a Constitutional Amendment Can Safeguard American Democracy, (2024) by Rick Hasen, Princeton University Press
--the Safeguarding Democracy Project website

MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the "cc by" license)
--"The Trail," by Unheard Music Concepts
--"Monsters of the past," by Pawel Feszczuk
--"Funky end," by Pawel Feszczuk
--"Caress me to sleep," by rui

Special Guests: Guy-Uriel Charles and Rick Hasen.

Brandon Yoder is Senior Lecturer at the Australian National University. He holds a Ph.D. in foreign affairs from the University of Virginia. He studies a range of topics, including foreign policy, international security, US-China relations, and signaling and credibility. He’s the author of a 2025 article in the British Journal of Politics and International Relations, titled, “Will there be war over Taiwan? Structural stability and policy pitfalls in cross-Strait deterrence.” Yoder and I discuss stability in the relations between China and Taiwan.

OTHER LINKS
--"Wen and Bush in Oval office," from YouTube
--"Obama tells Trump to 'think it through' on China," from YouTube
--"Biden reaffirms 'One China Policy' after talks with Xi | ANC," from YouTube
--"Will there be war over Taiwan? Structural stability and policy pitfalls in cross-Strait deterrence," (2025) by Yoder, in The British Journal of Politics and International Relations
--"The Taiwan tightrope: Deterrence Is a balancing act, and America is starting to slip," (2025) by Mastro and Yoder, in Foreign Affairs
--"Iran war complicates contingency plans to defend Taiwan, some U.S. officials say," (2025, April 23) by Ward et al., in The Wall Street Journal

MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the "cc by" license)
--"The Trail," by Unheard Music Concepts
--"Precisamos de um plano," by rui
--"Post Drone," by Uuriter
--"Monsters of the past," by Pawel Feszczuk

Special Guest: Brandon Yoder.

Chris Federico is Professor of Political Science and Psychology at the University of Minnesota and the Arleen C. Carlson Professor of American Government and Politics. He’s also past president of the International Society of Political Psychology. Eric McDaniel is a Professor in the Department of Government at the University of Texas at Austin, and author of two books, The Everyday Crusade: Religious Nationalism in American Politics, as well as Politics in the Pews: The Political Mobilization of Black Churches. The three of us discussed the background leading up to this moment in U.S. history, and what it might take for change to occur.

OTHER LINKS
--"McCain counters Obama 'Arab' question," from YouTube
--"Trump: They're eating the dogs, the cats," from YouTube
--"New angle shows moment federal agents shoot Alex Pretti in Minneapolis," from YouTube
--Lilliana Mason's website
--Social dominance, by Sidanius and Pratto
--"Curse and mark of Cain," Wikipedia entry
--"Curse of Ham," Wikipedia entry
--"A new measure of affective polarization," (in press) by Campos and Federico, in the American Political Science Review
--Linda Skitka's website
--"The Sermon on the Mount," Wikipedia entry
--"Crockett, Talarico locked in dead heat in Texas Senate primary: Poll," The Hill
--"Polarized attitudes and anti-democratic attitudes: Robust evidence for paradoxical relationaships among American partisans," (2025) by Malka et al. in Political Studies

MUSIC CREDITS (all songs from Free Music Archive, and each song carries the "cc by" license)
--"The Trail," by Unheard Music Concepts
--"Funky End," by Pawel Feszczuk
--"Imprecation," by Kevin Hartnell
--"Pleasure," by Haunted Me
--"Caress me to sleep," by rui

Special Guests: Christopher Federico and Eric McDaniel.