She’s a world record holder, a whistleblower, and the queen of Javelina Jundred.

In this raw and hilarious conversation, Camille Herron opens up about her world records, the truth behind the USATF controversy, and how she’s using her voice to advocate for inclusion in ultrarunning.

From tacos and super shoes to lawsuits and laughter, this is one of the most unfiltered episodes yet.

Recorded in Scottsdale before Javelina Jundred, Jake, Mick, and Scott sit down with ultrarunning icon Camille Herron — the woman who’s redefined endurance running. Camille breaks down how she’s still setting records in her 40s, her neurodivergent journey with autism and ADHD, and the real story behind her recent media controversies. Plus, she talks Taco Bell, training, fairness in sport, and why she can absolutely laugh at the “Steely Toughness” memes.

Timestamps:

00:00 – Welcome Back to The Next Aid Station

00:18 – Introducing the Queen of Javelina: Camille Herron

01:04 – Driving Chaos: Camille’s Journey to Scottsdale

01:26 – Setting World Records: The Spark that Drives Her

02:10 – From 50 Miles to 6 Days: Camille’s Record-Breaking Range

03:15 – Super Shoes & Longevity in Running

04:00 – Trails vs Roads: Why Camille Loves to Go Fast

04:50 – “What’s a Javelina?” — Camille’s Wild Desert Encounters

06:00 – Running with 1,500 People: The Javelina Party Vibe

07:00 – Taco Bell, Tacos, and World Records

08:00 – Taco Bell Sends Camille a $10 Gift Card (and a Lifetime of Laughs)

09:00 – Homemade Tacos & the Men’s Meat Shirt Connection

09:45 – Would Camille Pace a Lap at Javelina?

10:10 – Running 300 Miles and Carrying Your Own… What?!

10:57 – When Nature Calls: Camille’s Funniest Marathon Stories

11:19 – The Super Shoe Revolution Explained

13:10 – Running Boston After the Bombing: A Powerful Moment

14:00 – Rules, Fairness & Integrity: Camille’s View on Governing Bodies

16:20 – Inside the Record Controversy: When a Course Isn’t “Certified Enough”

18:00 – Calibration, Clocks, and Controversy — How Tiny Errors Cost Big

20:00 – The Hidden Bureaucracy Behind Every World Record

22:00 – “World Best” vs. “World Record” — What’s the Difference?

23:20 – How Camille Changed the Rules for Drug Testing in Ultras

24:10 – How Many World Records Does Camille Actually Hold?

25:15 – Who Could Break Her Javelina Record?

26:00 – How She Could Shave Minutes Off Her 14:03 Course Record

27:15 – The Women Who Might Be Next: Predictions for Javelina 2024

29:00 – Cheering While Racing — Why Camille Loses Her Voice

30:20 – Neurodivergence, Autism & ADHD in the Ultra World

33:00 – Breaking Down the USA Track & Field Controversy

35:00 – The Fight for Accommodations & Inclusion in Athletics

38:00 – Communication Breakdown: How It All Went Wrong with USATF

42:00 – Following Legal Advice & Protecting Herself from Misrepresentation

45:00 – What She Would (and Wouldn’t) Do Differently

47:10 – Why Inclusivity in Running Still Has a Long Way to Go

52:00 – Trail vs Road Running: Finding Calm in Chaos

55:00 – How Her Autism Diagnosis Changed Everything

57:00 – The Greatest Female Ultrarunners of All Time

59:00 – Is Camille in the Top 3? (Spoiler: Yes.)

1:01:00 – Who Inspires Camille: Ruth Croft, Courtney, Katie & More

1:03:00 – Wikipedia, Whistleblowing, and the Truth Behind the “Steely Toughness” Story

1:06:00 – Why Camille Reported Rule Violations in Ultra Running

1:07:00 – Justice Sensitivity & Integrity in Sport

1:08:00 – The Wikipedia “Scandal”: Her Side of the Story

1:10:00 – Where “Steely Toughness” Really Came From

1:13:00 – The Real Story Behind the Edits & The Lawsuit

1:16:00 – Clearing the Air: “It Was Never Me — It Was My Husband”

1:17:00 – Halloween Costumes, Humor & Good Vibes

1:20:00 – The Story Behind “Men’s Meat” and Internet Outrage

1:23:00 – Camille’s Reaction to the Men’s Meat Shirt (She Loves It)

1:24:00 – Laughing It Off: Camille’s Humor Shines

1:25:00 – Closing Thoughts with The Queen of Javelina