Steve Palmer is joined by private investigator Scott Shepherd of Justified Investigations for the inaugural installment of our new series, "What Would We Do?" Together, they dig deep into the highly-publicized case of Bryan Kohberger, the man who pled guilty to the infamous quadruple homicide of University of Idaho students, but is now seeking to withdraw his plea.

Steve Palmer and Scott Shepherd walk listeners through their approach if Kohberger called on them for help: Would they take his case? What are the legal standards around withdrawing a guilty plea? How would they investigate claims of mistakes or missed evidence, and is there any hope for overturning such a high-profile conviction?

Drawing on real-world experience with post-conviction and appellate cases, the duo explains the legal and investigatory checklists they’d follow, what pitfalls and optics matter, and the hard realities of mounting a defense when the evidence seems stacked and the system favors finality. This episode offers a rare, insider perspective on handling notorious cases, the science around DNA and forensic evidence, and the cold calculus of criminal defense.

3 Key Takeaways:

• Thorough Post-Conviction Review Is Essential: The process isn't about simply retrying a case. It means digging deep, ordering transcripts, analyzing legal standards, and determining if any manifest injustice occurred. Every angle, document, and expert report must be scrutinized anew.
• Scientific Evidence Requires Expert Re-examination: DNA, forensic, and cell phone evidence must be independently re-analyzed, not just accepted at face value. Even seemingly overwhelming DNA evidence can be misinterpreted or inconclusive without proper expert consultation.
• Finality vs. Justice: The justice system is structured to resist reopening resolved cases. Unless there's a clear showing of manifest injustice, such as newly discovered exculpatory evidence or demonstrable ineffective counsel, courts are unlikely to allow plea withdrawals.

Moments

09:36 Proving manifest injustice

12:39 Examining plea advisement and relief

17:28 Analyzing DNA Evidence

21:52 Gas station surveillance clues

29:47 Consulting with a medical expert

36:48 Lab testing and protocol differences

40:45 Investigator's approach to facts

48:19 Analyzing vehicle video evidence

52:14 Covering up evidence activities

58:28 Negotiating plea deals

01:02:34 Discussing legal challenges in evidence

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Recorded at Channel 511.

Stephen E. Palmer, Esq. has been practicing criminal defense almost exclusively since 1995. He has represented people in federal, state, and local courts in Ohio and elsewhere.

Though he focuses on all areas of criminal defense, he particularly enjoys complex cases in state and federal courts.

He has unique experience handling and assembling top defense teams of attorneys and experts in cases involving allegations of child abuse (false sexual allegations, false physical abuse allegations), complex scientific cases involving allegations of DUI and vehicular homicide cases with blood alcohol tests, and any other criminal cases that demand jury trial experience.

Steve has unique experience handling numerous high publicity cases that have garnered national attention.

For more information about Steve and his law firm, visit Palmer Legal Defense.

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