In this episode of The Talking Tradesman, host Russell Payne sits down with Sian Francis, @SianFrancisPaintingAndDecor a painter and decorator who’s carving her own path in the trades while challenging outdated perceptions of the industry.Find Sian Herehttps://www.instagram.com/sian_franciss?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==Sian shares her journey from apprenticeship to business owner, opening up about the realities of taking on apprentices, the responsibility that comes with mentorship, and what it’s like running a female-led team in a traditionally male-dominated space. She reflects on the standards she sets for her work, the pressure of leading others, and the pride she takes in helping young people find confidence and direction through the trades.The conversation goes deeper into the wider challenges facing painting and decorating as a profession – from its public perception to the lack of guidance and support for those entering the industry. Sian speaks honestly about stress, burnout, and the importance of protecting mental health, particularly in a trade where pressure is often worn as a badge of honour.Sian also opens up about her personal life, including navigating motherhood, living with ADHD, and the impact those experiences have had on both her work and her wellbeing. She speaks candidly about past experiences of domestic abuse, the emotional weight that carried, and how resilience, self-acceptance, and support have helped her move forward stronger.This is a raw and grounded conversation about work, identity, mental health, and legacy — offering valuable insight for anyone in the trades, especially those balancing ambition, responsibility, and life outside the job.Thanks to our Headline Sponsors Zinsser Episode sponsors - Climadoor Chapters00:00 Introduction to Sian Francis01:21 Building a Team: The Importance of Apprenticeships06:33 Sian's Journey into the Trades09:29 Challenges in the Industry: Perception and Standards23:41 Navigating Business Challenges and Client Issues28:45 Balancing Work and Personal Life37:59 Mental Health in the Trades: Coping Mechanisms and Strategies46:55 Pub Talks and Parenting Challenges48:53 Confidence vs. Arrogance in the Trades54:37 Navigating ADHD and Mental Health01:07:54 Overcoming Domestic Abuse: A Personal Story01:20:18 Building a Legacy for the Next Generation