The episode features Abigail Beverly Hillz, a pageant title holder, costume designer, and self-described "America's intersexiest showgirl of drag." The conversation covers Abigail's experiences as an intersex and transgender woman, her journey into drag performance, and how she finds therapeutic outlets in her life. Abigail shares her coming out story, including giving a speech in front of her entire high school, and discusses the challenges faced by the intersex and transgender communities. The host and Abigail also discuss the current political climate surrounding transgender rights, the importance of representation in media, and how drag performance serves as therapy for Abigail. Throughout the conversation, they emphasize the need for better understanding of intersex conditions, with Abigail explaining that approximately 2% of the population is intersex (comparable to the number of redheads). They also discuss negative experiences with therapists, including a particularly transphobic encounter the host had. The interview concludes with advice for listeners on finding therapeutic activities and practices for their own mental health.

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Born this Way is hosted by Vincent-Natasha "NV" Gay

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The episode centers around the concept of "normalcy" and what it means to be transgender in today's society. Desi shares her personal experiences with transitioning, starting hormone therapy at age 16 after a three-year process involving numerous medical tests and approvals. She expresses gratitude for living in New York, a state with fewer restrictions on transgender healthcare compared to the 23-26 states that have implemented anti-trans legislation. Both NV and Desi discuss the challenges of gender dysphoria, the difficulty of looking at pre-transition photos, and the misconception that transitioning is an impulsive decision rather than a lengthy, carefully considered process. Desi emphasizes that being transgender isn't a choice but accepting oneself is. The conversation concludes with Desi encouraging listeners to love themselves despite societal and political challenges.

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The episode features an interview with Airyn De Niro, a 29-year-old transgender woman who began hormone therapy in November 2024. The host introduces Airyn as a student, voice actor, and singer who has been open about her transition journey. The conversation primarily focuses on relationships during and after transition. Airyn discusses how transitioning impacts existing relationships, emphasizing the importance of approaching transition with compassion for those who need to adapt to the changes. She shares her fortunate experience with supportive parents, including her famous father who has publicly supported her transition. Airyn also talks about how her romantic relationships have improved since transitioning, noting that she feels more authentic being seen as a woman by potential partners. The interview concludes with Airyn offering advice to allies about treating transgender people with respect and as the individuals they are, rather than defining them solely by their transgender identity.

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