Relationships and transactions aren't the same thing, especially in the financial industry.

In this episode, Justin Woodbury sits down with Dale McGregor to discuss what it looks like to build a business around genuine relationships instead of simply closing the next sale. They explore why consistently investing in people, whether they're clients, prospects, or employees, creates stronger businesses, stronger cultures, and longer-lasting relationships.

Dale calls it "passionate compassion," a philosophy that's evident in the way he leads his team, serves his clients, and develops the next generation of advisors. It's a conversation about relationships, leadership, and why giving often produces the greatest returns.

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What if insurance carriers were completely transparent about the sustainability of their caps and participation rates, and wholesalers were equally transparent about the products they recommend?

Justin Woodbury sits down with Drew Schmalz and Jon Blomquist of The Annuity Edge to discuss subsidized cap rates, why some products look better than they really are, and the uncomfortable conversations advisors can end up having with clients as a result.

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We all get the same 1,440 minutes every day, yet so many advisors spend theirs on administrative work instead of sitting in front of clients.

In this episode, Justin Woodbury sits down with Breena Fein and Gabe Caldwell, the co-founders of HeyQuinn, to discuss how AI can automate emails, meetings, CRM updates, and countless other repetitive tasks, helping advisors buy back hours every week.

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In this episode of Beyond The IMO, Justin Woodbury sits down with Carl Richards to discuss a topic that impacts every advisor, entrepreneur, and professional at some point in their career: fear.

Carl's perspective on fear inspired Justin to make one of the biggest decisions of his professional life, leaving a leadership role at a marketing organization to build a business focused on supporting advisors and their clients. That experience led to a deeper realization that fear often shows up whenever we are faced with meaningful decisions, whether it's fear of failure, fear of success, fear of the unknown, or simply fear of taking the next step.

Rather than focusing on how to defeat fear, Carl shares a different approach: embracing it. Together, Justin and Carl explore why fear is often a sign that something important is on the other side of the decision and how learning to work with fear can lead to growth, clarity, and action.

They also discuss Carl's new book, Your Money: Reimagining Wealth in 101 Simple Sketches, as well as The Society of Advice, an organization-agnostic community where financial advisors gather to learn, share ideas, and become better professionals.

If you've been putting off a decision because of fear, this conversation may be exactly what you need to hear.

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In this micro episode, Justin breaks down the pros and cons of dinner seminars, and shares what makes any marketing tool work.

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In this episode of Beyond The IMO, Justin sits down with fellow advisor, friend, and marketing expert Colin Overweg to discuss one of the most important lessons in marketing: the grass is greener where you water it.

Colin built his business by consistently creating valuable content on TikTok, not LinkedIn, YouTube, or Instagram. Through that process, he developed a steady stream of referral business and learned firsthand what it takes to stand out in a crowded marketplace.

The conversation explores the power of consistency, frequency, and focusing on the platforms and strategies you choose rather than constantly chasing the next opportunity. Justin also shares two of the biggest lessons Colin has taught him over the years: the grass is greener where you water it, and perfect is the enemy of good.

If you've ever wondered why some advisors are generating leads through social media while others aren't, this episode will challenge the way you think about marketing and growth.

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In this episode of Beyond The IMO, Justin Woodbury sits down with Jim Fisher to talk about a highly debated marketing topic in the financial industry: online leads and virtual selling.

According to the Financial Planning Association, 65.5% of clients said virtual financial planning meetings can be just as productive as in person meetings. Yet many advisors who have never closed even one lead virtually have concluded that online leads suck.

Justin and Jim break down why that happens. Justin shares that while some online lead programs create a bad experience by sending the same lead to multiple advisors, especially when the person never intentionally requested calls from several different advisors, many times the leads only “suck” because advisors are trying to sell them the same way they would a seminar, workshop, or radio lead where trust and credibility have already been established.

Jim shares how JuceBox approaches virtual selling differently by providing exclusive online leads to advisors along with hands on required training from fellow advisors who are consistently closing massive amounts of business using the same methods they teach. The conversation highlights why training, process, and expectations matter if advisors want to thrive in the virtual space.

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The research is clear: $124 trillion is in motion thanks to the great wealth transfer. Half of that is owned by HNW households, and most existing estate plans are now out of date thanks to three major rule changes in six years.

Demand for qualified estate planning is outrunning supply. Spectrem Group and EY's Global Wealth Research Report have found that estate planning consistently ranks in the top 3 services high net worth investors say they want from their primary advisor, yet a majority report their advisor has never delivered a substantive estate planning conversation.

The advisors who build estate planning into the center of their practice over the next decade won't just retain clients through the great wealth transfer. They'll capture the assets the passive advisors lose. It is, by every credible measure, an unprecedented opportunity.

This episode is part two of a three-part series highlighting vendors that provide what Justin defines as turnkey services, where from the time an advisor signs up to delivery, everything is provided to set them up for success.

In this conversation, Justin sits down with Carter Wilcoxson, founder of Epic Services, and Epic's CMO, Rosalie Perkins. Epic has an excellent estate planning program that fills the gap between demand and delivery, and for advisors, that means opportunity to serve more clients.