Sharks and hurricanes: that’s not a Sharknado sequel, it’s real research. In this episode of Beyond Jaws, Dr. Aaron Carlisle shares how a childhood moment of terror watching Jaws turned into a career in shark science. Aaron is now an Assistant Professor of Fisheries Ecology at the University of Delaware, where he explores how the physical and biological environment influences shark behavior, distribution, and ecology using cutting-edge tools like stable isotopes and biologging.

Sharks and hurricanes also becomes a metaphor for navigating the whirlwind of academic expectations and public perceptions. From family members telling him to study “something important like crabs” to dealing with the rise of social media influencers as “shark experts,” Aaron reflects on what it really means to be a marine biologist in today’s world. If you’re a student, early-career scientist, or just a shark nerd, this episode offers career insights, research stories, and a candid look at the culture of science.

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Shark Conservation has been shaped by the tireless work of scientists like Leonard Compagno. In this episode, Andrew speaks with the legendary ichthyologist whose contributions to shark taxonomy and conservation have influenced generations of researchers and advocates. Compagno shares how he became fascinated by sharks, his groundbreaking work cataloging shark species, and his role in shaping the IUCN Shark Specialist Group.

Shark Taxonomy is at the core of Compagno’s career, and his insights into the classification and identification of sharks reveal why proper taxonomy is critical for conservation. Andrew and Leonard discuss the challenges of naming and describing species, the importance of understanding diversity in shark populations, and how science can support stronger protections against overfishing and finning.

Shark Research is not just about science but also about communication. Leonard reflects on the changes in public perception of sharks since he began his career, and how media, advocacy, and dedicated researchers have shifted the narrative from fear to fascination. This episode gives listeners a deep appreciation of both the man and the movement he helped create.

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Shark Science Career Advice: In this episode of Beyond Jaws, we sit down with Kenzie Horton, a passionate early-career shark biologist who’s turning childhood snorkel trips into a mission to protect sharks and educate the public. From chasing fish with a disposable underwater camera to studying white shark migration off the Carolinas, Kenzie’s story is one of drive, persistence, and unshakable curiosity. She discusses the ups and downs of becoming a marine biologist, how she found her way into shark research, and what she’s learned through internships, grad school, and outreach.

White shark research: Kenzie walks us through her master’s thesis on white shark movements, her work at the Florida Fish and Wildlife Research Institute, and the importance of finding mentors who believe in your goals. She talks candidly about the challenges of breaking into the field, why she turned to TikTok to inspire others, and how she’s navigating career decisions post-graduation, including the possibility of a PhD. If you’re dreaming of a career in shark science or just love a good marine biology story, this is a must-listen.

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Shark science isn’t just about understanding biology, it’s about tackling the global forces that threaten these species. In this episode of Beyond Jaws, research scientist Chris Mull explains how international trade has become a powerful driver of unsustainable shark and ray fisheries. From luxury markets for shark fins to emerging demands for meat and cartilage, trade dynamics are reshaping conservation challenges worldwide.

Shark conservation must consider the economics and policies behind fishing, not just the science in the water. Chris describes his work using phylogenetic comparative methods and applied research to uncover how trade pressures intersect with species traits, creating unique risks for different sharks and rays. Along with hosts Andrew Lewin and Dr. David Ebert, Chris shares insights into what the data reveals about overexploitation, the complexity of global markets, and how science can inform better international regulations.

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Deep sea exploration is more than science—it’s an invitation to connect with the largest, least understood part of our planet. In this episode, Jonatha Giddens, a PhD researcher from the University of Hawai‘i, shares how her global work on deep-ocean ecosystems blends scientific discovery, creative communication, and human connection. From working aboard research vessels to translating complex ocean data into emotional stories, Jonatha explores how we can better understand and protect the deep sea.

Ocean storytelling is central to her approach. Jonatha discusses how she uses writing, visual media, and community engagement to spark public curiosity and care for deep-ocean environments. This episode highlights the power of science when paired with creativity, and how researchers like Jonatha are helping to shift the way we relate to the sea—turning data into wonder and insight into action.

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Shark Week 2025 takes center stage in this conversation with Jesse Colaizzi, one of the producers behind the most-watched week in ocean television. We go behind the scenes of what it takes to pitch, plan, film, and deliver a compelling Shark Week segment, how ideas are selected, and how shows make the leap from concept to global audience. Jesse also discusses what it means to represent sharks accurately while keeping the drama that draws millions of viewers each year.

Ocean storytelling comes into sharp focus as Jesse explains the pressure to entertain while maintaining scientific integrity. We discuss the actual process of working with experts, the surprises that occur during filming, and how Shark Week has evolved over time. Whether you’re a filmmaker, a scientist, or a conservationist, you’ll walk away with insights into the creative balance between TV ratings and accurate shark science.

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All The Sharks Netflix introduces us to a new way of seeing sharks—not as mindless monsters, but as awe-inspiring animals coexisting with skilled divers. In this episode of Beyond Jaws, Aliah Banchik, one of the contestants on the show, takes us through her experience competing in this thrilling underwater game show. She opens up about what it was really like swimming among sharks, the rigorous training involved, and the relationships she built with fellow contestants and apex predators alike.

Aliah also discusses the emotional and physical toll of filming a show that centers sharks without villainizing them. She reflects on the shift in tone the show brought to shark storytelling, highlighting how production teams and divers worked to prioritize safety, education, and science over fear. This episode also explores Aliah’s background in marine conservation and how she hopes to inspire others through her work in and out of the water.

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Mick Grant is a postdoctoral researcher at James Cook University, and in this episode of Beyond Jaws, he takes us on a journey from his childhood passion for nature to working with some of the world’s most elusive shark species. His story spans groundbreaking fieldwork in Papua New Guinea and Indonesia, including the rediscovery of species like the sailfin houndshark, and the challenges of conducting research in remote regions.

River sharks and sawfish are among the most threatened species in our oceans. Mick shares insights into their ecology, the conservation policies affecting them, and what it takes to protect such cryptic animals. He also reflects on the importance of mentoring the next generation of shark scientists and how research can be turned into real-world action.

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