Wendy and Rob talk to Brian Koch from Phantom Canyon Brewing in Colorado Springs, CO. Colorado's oldest brewpub sits right in the heart of the Springs' downtown and is worth a visit for provisioning your next hike or celebrating your hiking success - or because you want some good food and good drink (you earned it, you woke up today!). Brian has been in the industry for a number of years and talks about his experiences - how he started, how his career grew, and what he enjoys about being a head brewer.

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Wendy and Rob talk to Liz and Chelsea of Berkeley Alley Beer and BodyByBeer podcast.

Berkeley Alley Beer can be found at https://thealleybrews.com/ and in Denver, CO. It is a proudly welcoming space so you should go check it out!

The Body by Beer podcast website https://www.bodybybeerpodcast.com/ has information about the podcast and the books we discussed (and the jerky related to the book).

Wendy and Rob talk to Derek from Unmapped Brewing outside Minneapolis, MN.

You can learn more about Unmappd and plan a visit (maybe for one of their charity events, maybe for their to-be-determined winter parking lot event) by visiting https://unmappedbrewing.com/

NOTE: The brewery from Strange Brew is called Elsinore, not Excelsior like Rob thought.