In this bonus episode of Two Cranky Creatives, the Cranks dig into the newly released Surface Design Industry Survey by Shannon McNab. This is the only data set of its kind in our industry, and it matters. Full stop. The Cranks react in real time to what the survey reveals about income, expenses, and more, while naming the creative challenges that so many surface designers quietly carry alone. If you've ever felt like your creative hustle was happening in a vacuum—no benchmarks, no context, just vibes—this episode exchanges real information for that uncertainty. But this conversation isn't about panic or comparison, it's about perseverance, perspective, and permission.

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Toni, here … in this episode, we respond to the survey, but that isn't a replacement for downloading it and using the information yourself. This data is crucial to our industry and to each of our careers. Please donate monetarily to Shannon; even $1 will help keep this survey alive. Both Carrie and I donated. Please give what you can.

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