In one of the most profound episodes of Creative Talk Podcast to date, Kebrasca and Amber King welcome Phil Dykes and Kerry McLeod — two of the world's most respected evidential mediums — joining live from the UK.

Phil and Kerry are mediums, spiritual ministers, authors, educators and now Silver Telly Award winners for their documentary Evidence of the Afterlife, available on Apple TV. The award was judged by executives from BBC, Netflix and Shutterstock.

The conversation covers their individual journeys into mediumship — Phil navigating a Methodist family who initially called him the devil's worker, Kerry discovering her sensitivity in a low point after childbirth. Both share how their abilities were noticed by others before they fully understood them themselves, and how the formal training, personal development and lived experience of mediumship shaped who they are today.

They clarify one of the most misunderstood distinctions in spiritual work — the real difference between a psychic and a medium — and explain how learning the psychic first creates a stronger medium. They speak honestly about grief: that a reading can be part of the healing, but cannot replace the process of grief itself.

Phil shares a remarkable story about a university scientific experiment where he was blindfolded, fitted with ear muffs and placed on stage — and achieved 96% accuracy with a computer-recorded contact database.

The episode also covers their work as spiritual ministers, their two-year metaphysical ordination program, how both individually received visions of online teaching months before COVID hit, and their mission to create a "spiritual church without walls" — which, eight years after being given that message by spirit, is now real.

They close with first steps for anyone wanting to develop mediumship, their upcoming second book on consciousness, and hopes for a sequel to Evidence of the Afterlife.

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