Sometimes we record an ep and listen back and it's slightly....unhinged.

IDK there must have been something in the bubbly water.

But here we go.

First up we're drinking a G+T with pear, but not with tonic. We're pairing it with a fancy Australian classic - the chocolate, aka 'fancy', scotch fingers.

The pear syrup was leftover from this truly delicious dessert - a Jamie Oliver Vin Santo Pear & Chocolate Tart. I don't know what Vin Santo is and have never used it - I just substitute it for water and its' still yum!

Maddie's been listening to News Time podcast on ABC with the kids, and loved the recent story about the Regent Honey Eaters. She's praising her past self for purchasing bioculars. She saw a bird she's never seen on her property before - it's the Beautiful Firetail and it is what it says on the box. Maddie and Emily are both loving bird books.

Maddie's been on Vul*a watch - baby cows have been born! We're talking happy animals, Gardening Australia Junior Podcast, and meeting people in the Avant Gardeners world IRL.

Emily has had some pea success, and some accidental Hydrangea propogation success.

Maddie is recommending The Light Eaters by Zoë Schlanger (and drops in a previous rec called The Age Of Seeds by Fiona McMillan-Webster.

Woah, we are back after a 2 month hiatus! We've missed you guys.

First up we're interviewing Luen from Luen's Flowers. She's is a DJ, producer and former Triple J host who recently had a career shake up, immersing herself in the world of flowers. Having set up her first flower farm in the NSW Northern Rivers area, Luen uses permaculture and organic principles to tend the soil and grow flowers for markets, DIY buckets and weddings. She hosts in-person workshops, runs 1 on 1 sessions online, and coaches others paving their own way with flowers.

Luen specialises in roses, dahlias and daisies, and with a growing list of annuals, she now grows about 50 varieties.

Luen lives, works and tends to the soil with her partner Luke and dog Muzzy on Yuin Country on NSW's South Coast. Follow her on Instagram here.

Before we get to this chat, Emily & Maddie are talking about seedlings and seasons, Banksia Roses, Abraham Darby Rose.

Luen has come to the party with a bottle of Shady Lane pet nat from Range Life Wine

We explore her travels to Colombia and what got her into gardening and farming, her life as a DJ, her gateway flower (hint: it was a Cosmos).

Luen talks about Geoff Lawton at Zaytuna Farm and Charles Dowding (listen to his episode here) who have been some of her inspiration. Then we are wowed by the hard yards in moving her flower farm from Byron Bay to Milton on the South Coast in NSW. Luen shares 'healing in' with roses, how she trellises dahlias, her love of the humble daisy.

Books we chat about:

The Permaculture Garden by Huw Richards (listen to his episode here) and

Pansies: How to Grow, Reimagine, and Create Beauty with Pansies and Violas by Brenna Estrada

Then we go on a stoicism tangent:

A guide to the Good Life by William B Irvine

Reasons Not To Worry: How To Be Stoic In Chaotic Times by Bridgid Delaney

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Greetings folks, Emily has whipped the top of a Fowler jar full of the taste of Summer - delicious apricots from Canes in Franklin Tasmania. They are heaven. We're eating them with Greek Yoghurt and Natasha Morgan's Rhubarb and Vanilla cordial

Maddie is dreaming of apricot and cardamom jam from the Far South Food Resiliance.

Maddie's Haka Multilineata is flowering, and she wants some white borage. She's optimistic about her Washington Orange, and loving the loan of her mum's battery operated secateurs.
Emily is going deep into rose pruning and bought herself some Le Sac Thorn Proof Gloves, she's using Pip's rose tips from The Garden at Moorfield.

We're gushing about Stephanie Alexander's approach to mealtime, and loving the Cook's Companion.

We're talking about Phlomus, Sisyrinchium, Cushion Bush, Red Russian Kale

Thanks for being here.