In this episode of The Authentic Ewe Podcast, I sit down with Debbie Nicol — one of the world’s most recognised experts in The Leadership Challenge.

Deb shares a powerful truth most leaders forget:

We explore:

• What separates “doing leadership” from being a leader

• Why credibility and consistency matter more than tactics

• How the Five Practices of Exemplary Leadership work in real life

• The link between DISC behaviour and leadership effectiveness

• Why executive presence is misunderstood — and how Deb reframes it through Presence Pro

• How disconnection shows up in workplaces, and what real leaders do differently

• The behavioural shifts that turn managers into trusted, influential leaders

This conversation is grounded, practical and deeply human — a must-listen for leaders who want their influence to actually land.

Presence Pro – Executive Presence Self-Assessment (Free)

https://presencepro.ai/

The Leadership Challenge – Kouzes & Posner

https://www.leadershipchallenge.com

Debie Nicol on LinkedIn

https://www.linkedin.com/in/debbienicol/

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When high-performing women lose themselves inside emotionally unsafe environments, the body often speaks long before the mind catches up. In this raw and deeply human conversation, Pettina Shangdon shares the untold truth about nervous system breakdown, identity collapse, and the long road back to coherence, clarity, and self-trust.

This episode will resonate with anyone who has ever felt “not themselves” at work or in relationship dynamics that slowly erode safety. Pettina’s story blends lived experience with a grounded, trauma-informed perspective that echoes the teachings of Dr Jill Bolte Taylor and Viktor Frankl — reminding us that healing is not about perfection, but about reconnecting to the self we abandoned along the way.

Together, we explore:

– What nervous system overwhelm actually feels like

– How high achievers ignore early warning signs

– The moment Pettina realised she no longer recognised herself

– Emotional manipulation, dissociation & “freezing” under pressure

– The slow, compassionate process of rebuilding identity

– Why coherence and authenticity matter more than resilience

– How leaders can create emotionally safe environments for humans to thrive

– Choosing truth, connection and meaning — even in complexity

This is a powerful story of rupture, repair and returning home to yoursel

LinkedIn:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/pettinashangdon/

Feature Articles by Pettina:

• The Cost of Losing Yourself

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cost-losing-yourself-pettina-shangdon/

• When Your Nervous System Takes the Wheel

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/when-your-nervous-system-takes-wheel-pettina-shangdon/

Dr Jill Bolte Taylor – Whole Brain Living (WBL)

Official Website: https://www.drjillboltetaylor.com/

TED Talk – My Stroke of Insight: https://www.ted.com/talks/jill_bolte_taylor_my_stroke_of_insight

Whole Brain Living Framework: https://www.drjillboltetaylor.com/whole-brain-living

Viktor Frankl

Man’s Search for Meaning (Book):

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4069.Man_s_Search_for_Meaning

Logotherapy Overview:

https://www.viktorfrankl.org/

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Dr. Mark Scullard joins Penelope to reveal how insecurities and core needs drive all our workplace behaviors—and why true empowerment is personal, not one-size-fits-all.

Discover:

• How misguided “empowerment” can cause real damage (and how to do it right)
• The secret ways core insecurities shape feedback, leadership, and team culture
• Why the DISC model isn’t perfect, but is THE practical map for understanding workplace differences
• Real stories and actionable advice using the leading-edge Catalyst platform and Work Smart modules

Whether you’re a leader, HR pro, or just ready to work smarter, this remastered episode delivers the tools and mindset you need for genuine impact—today.

Key Takeaways:

• Empowerment looks different for everyone. Without understanding personal needs, even well-meant leadership can backfire.
• Our insecurities and core drives are always at play. Leadership is about understanding and channeling them positively.
• DISC is an actionable model—use it as a map, not a box—to decode what makes each teammate unique.
• Features Wiley’s Catalyst platform & Work Smart modules—making these insights truly usable in the flow of work.

Useful Links:

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-scullard-25314b8/

https://www.everythingdisc.com/learning-that-lasts/

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