Drew and Dan break down real-world software development—what’s working, what’s not, and where things are going. Topics range from app development and AI to conference takeaways (Deep Dish Swift), technical deep dives, and the occasional detour into reverse engineering and industry absurdities. Practical, opinionated, and grounded in actual experience.

Chapters

• 00:00 Hello!
• 06:13 App Development and AI
• 11:58 Deep Dish Swift Conference
• 19:04 Technical Insights and Challenges
• 26:10 Reverse Engineering and Humorous Presentations

Finding Drew:

• Bluesky
• X / Twitter

Finding Dan:

• Bluesky
• Instagram
  

Links for things mentioned in this episode:

• Dan’s new Swift blog, Certainly Swift
• Drew’s YouTube live stream coding channel, @DrewBensonCodes
• 9 to 5 Mac’s story on 4-star reviews:App Store ratings ‘broken’ as your 4-star review could hurt a developer
• Dan’s social check-in (and Swarm replacement) app,, The Midst
• Relay Team Finder - releasing in August - for Aspiring Finishers
• Deep Dish Swift 2026
  • Adam Tow and his great talk on being adaptable, The Long Game: 30+ Years as an Indie Apple Developer
  • David Beck’s talk, Surviving in Low Connectivity
  • Chad Etzel’s awesome talk on Reverse Engineering the macOS Genie Animation

Drew and Dan in the Morning can be found on:

• Apple Podcasts
• Spotify
• YouTube
• Overcast

Thanks for joining us!