In this episode of As It Turned Out, I sit down with Franz Maruna: a tech founder and creative builder with a path that’s anything but linear. We talk about where he is now, the future he imagined after high school, and the unexpected turns that shaped his journey. From odd side gigs to shifts in identity and perspective, Franz shares honest reflections on what it really means to grow, adapt, and let go of the script.

Because nothing ever turns out how we expected.

Let’s get into it.

In this episode of As It Turned Out, I sit down with Todd Greco: a design leader, strategist, and educator whose journey spans architecture, tech, and creative direction. We talk about the vision he had early on, the pivots he didn’t expect, and how each chapter shaped how he leads today.

From design studios to DJ booths, Todd shares honest reflections on uncertainty, reinvention, and staying grounded through change, offering insight into what it really means to carve your own path.

Because nothing ever turns out how we expected.

In this episode of As It Turned Out, I sit down with Andy Robbins: whose path spans creativity, leadership, and lifelong learning.

We dive into the twists that took him from Intel to founding Oyster PDX, the lessons he didn’t see coming, and why getting off-script was the best thing that could’ve happened.

Because nothing ever turns out how we expected.