Adjani Salmon grew up in Jamaica making kung-fu films at lunchtime and studying architecture, with no route into the industry and no mentors. He ended up as the creator, writer and star of Dreaming Whilst Black — a BBC series picked up by A24 and Showtime, with RTS and BAFTA recognition off the back of a single pilot episode.

In this episode he takes Iyare Igiehon through exactly how that happened, and he doesn't skip the unglamorous parts: the Smirnoff ad he took after his only camera-operator left the country; the reality TV edit suite where he actually learned story; the Malcolm Gladwell "big fish, small pond" theory that made him choose Britain over America; the web series that took two years, cost him his own money and pulled 10,000 views; the agent he got through a chain of three strangers at a 50-person screening; the seventh draft the BBC saw as "draft one," and the 22nd they saw as "draft two"; and the day he bet a production company £50,000 he didn't have that they needed one more shooting day.

He's also candid about the parts of the story that were timing rather than talent, about why he refuses to rank how anyone earns a living making films, and about what he's building next now that he considers comedy-drama a solved problem.

Adjani first screened Dreaming Whilst Black at S.O.U.L. Fest, before the industry was paying attention. This conversation closes that loop.

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