This week Rob and Ryan are excited to be joined by returning friends Kerry and Brian Kijewski from Outlook on Radio Western, along with their “BF” – Barry Toner – for a wide‑ranging, funny, and thoughtful conversation about intersectionality, the damage of pity‑based charity marketing, “hero vs. helpless” narratives, and why most people actually live somewhere in the messy middle. It’s a great hour of conversation that is part thought provoking, part empowering, and all real.

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