Before "AI automation" was a buzzword, Joey Vitale built Indie Law to operate without him. That experience—paired with years helping lawyers scale through virtual assistants—turned him into a quiet expert on systems, delegation, and identity. In this episode, he and host Mike Whelan dig into what happens when the work that once defined you starts running itself, and why the real value of a lawyer might have less to do with tasks and more to do with trust.

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𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:

0:00 - Introduction

2:15 - Why Joey left litigation

5:34 - The crisis that forced systematization

8:27 - Four stages: doer to strategist

14:44 - Managing VAs prepares you for AI

19:42 - Prompting AI effectively

24:15 - 80% right is 100% awesome

32:51 - Redefining lawyer identity

36:20 - Why clients still need attorneys

Alessandra Colaci helps in-house legal teams figure out how to actually use AI—not just talk about it. As the founder of Legal Plus AI and former founding marketer at Harvey, she's spent years teaching lawyers to prompt, experiment, and integrate AI into their daily work. In this conversation, she breaks down the quick wins that build momentum, the security concerns that keep lawyers up at night, and why most teams need to start smaller than they think.

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Draft and review contracts 10x faster
➞ try it free: https://www.spellbook.legal

𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:

0:00 - Introduction
1:10 - Meet Alessandra Colaci
2:34 - The adoption gap: Strategy vs. reality
3:42 - Micro-learning and experimentation
6:04 - Quick wins
6:54 - Using AI as a thought partner
11:32 - The "prompt library" approach
13:48 - What to try on your own vs. with the team
17:18 - What's real vs. what's fear
22:53 - When courts will catch up to AI as standard practice
24:27 - Learning what works for you
27:34 - Connect with Alessandra

Beau Atkins runs Evolve Family Law in Saskatchewan, Canada, where he's using AI to reach the 79% of people with legal problems who never hire a lawyer. In this conversation, he shares how he built an AI-assisted tool that guides self-represented clients through court processes — and how he's testing an AI agent to handle intake calls. His end goal? Serve with three lawyers what would normally take 300.

𝗧𝗶𝗺𝗲𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗺𝗽𝘀:

0:00 - Introduction
1:14 - Meet Beau Atkins
2:15 - The journey from frustrated lawyer to entrepreneur
5:34 - AI experiments in family law practice
8:27 - Solving the 79% problem
14:44 - Ethics, disclaimers, and hallucinations
19:42 - What clients really want (and don't get) 27:58 - Product design: Flat fees and AI tools 30:25 - Learning from COVID experiments
32:51 - How Beau uses AI today
33:33 - Connect with Beau

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Draft and review contracts 10x faster
➞ try it free: https://www.spellbook.com