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AI Skills and Future of Work - Building a Gold Standard That Doesn't Exist (Yet) | Aatish Thakerar | iwon™ podcast Ep. 9.

AI Skills and Future of Work - Building a Gold Standard That Doesn't Exist (Yet) | Aatish Thakerar | iwon™ podcast Ep. 9.

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AI is moving at a rapid pace. Most education institutions, schools and companies cannot keep up with it.While technology continues to reshape industries, careers, and the future of work, many education systems are still trying to figure out how to respond.In this 9th episode of the iwon™ podcast, Michael J. Thomas sits down with Aatish Thakerar, Co-Founder of Pedagogue, to discuss one of the biggest challenges facing education today: preparing the next generation for a world powered by AI.A former British Army Reservist, engineering leader, and startup founder, Aatish brings a unique perspective on technology, learning, leadership, and the realities of building a business in one of the fastest-moving industries on the planet.Before launching Pedagogue, Aatish founded and exited an AI startup before spending four years helping scale Climate X through multiple stages of growth. Along the way, he learnt first-hand what works, what doesn't, and why timing, distribution, and economics often matter more than founders realise.Together, Michael and Aatish explore AI literacy, startup lessons, product-market fit, education reform, future careers, large language models, agentic AI, and why schools must rethink what "elite education" means in the age of artificial intelligence.If you're a founder, educator, parent, student, or simply curious about where AI is taking us next, this conversation is packed with practical insights and thought-provoking ideas.In This Episode• Why AI is advancing faster than most education systems can adapt• What "elite education" looks like in the age of AI• Lessons from building and exiting an AI startup• Why timing, distribution, and economics matter in startup success• Product-market fit and knowing when to pivot• Why education became Pedagogue's focus• The future of work and the skills students need most• The opportunities and risks of large language models• Agentic AI, automation, and what comes next• Why founders should avoid outsourcing all of their thinking to technology• Leadership lessons from the British Army• Why human creativity still matters in an AI-powered futureChapters00:00 AI Is Moving Faster Than Education00:36 Welcome to the iwon™ podcast01:40 Building and Selling an AI Startup04:18 Startup Lessons, Risk, and Luck07:07 The UK vs Silicon Valley12:00 Product Market Fit and Enterprise Challenges14:14 The Palantir Problem16:17 Why Education Became the Focus17:34 What Is Elite Education Today?20:24 Why Schools Must Teach AI23:16 Why AI Could Increase Inequality25:49 Why Not Start With Government Contracts31:31 Is Pedagogue the Right Solution?34:00 The AI Boom and Startup Reality36:52 Why Most People Misunderstand AI38:00 Teaching AI Without Platform Bias41:08 Agentic AI and the Future46:00 How Founders Avoid Overengineering50:41 Leadership Lessons Beyond Technology54:28 Think Long Term and Compound56:00 Are We Outsourcing Thinking?57:50 Unknown Unknowns and Human Creativity58:52 Final ThoughtsConnect with Aatish ThakerarLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/aatish-thakerar/Pedagogue:https://pedagogue.io/Pedagogue on LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/company/pedagogue-schools/Connect with Michael J. ThomasLinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/realmjt-in/Stuck where you are with your SaaS or B2B tech product?Michael and the team at DARWIN™ Works help founders simplify their message, sharpen their positioning, and accelerate growth.Find out more:https://darwinworks.com/Learn More About the iwon™ podcastWebsite:https://www.iwonpodcast.comLinkedIn:https://linkedin.com/company/iwon-podcastSuccess isn't overnight.That's why we tell the real stories.Takeaways:Artificial intelligence is advancing rapidly, while educational systems struggle to keep pace with these developments.The incorporation of AI education in countries like China begins at a remarkably young age, highlighting deficits in the UK and US educational frameworks.The role of schools extends beyond traditional education; they must prepare students for the future of work, integrating technology into their curriculums.Founders must navigate the complexities of funding and commercial viability, particularly in the fluctuating landscape of AI and technology startups.Companies mentioned in this episode:PedagogueClimatexPalantirClaudeGrokBase44ReplitAnd many more.Disclaimer: The views expressed in this podcast are those of the individual speakers and do not necessarily reflect the views of the producers or associated organisations.This podcast is provided for informational and entertainment purposes only and should not be considered financial, legal, or professional advice.Trademarks and Copyright: The IWON™ Podcast is produced by DARWIN™ Works, a trading name of BlueEyed Digital Marketing Ltd.IWON™ and DARWIN™ are registered trademarks.All content is copyright © BlueEyed Digital Marketing Ltd 2026.
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