In this episode of Voices from the Masterclass, Pastor Adam Durso is joined by guests Pastor Dan Underhill and Pastor Brandon Clack for a raw and timely conversation on the calling to leadership.

Together, they explore why the next generation of leaders needs more than just a microphone—they need space to grow and authentically encounter God for themselves within their leadership. Pastor Brandon offers an inside look at what makes Masterclass so unique, going beyond the incredible preaching and unpacking the mindset and spiritual discipline behind the pulpit, making room for the Holy Spirit to work in tandem with preparation.

They go on to cover Pastor Brandon’s personal journey of navigating a major ministry move, including how he and his wife discerned the calling together with patience and humility. As the conversation deepens further, the pastors address the pressure leaders feel to perform, the trap of chasing applause, and the quiet dangers of envy and self-importance.

(00:02) Let the next generation speak
(06:34) Why 2026 has to be on your calendar
(14:45) Assurance vs striving; applause addiction
(19:19) Scarcity mentality vs Kingdom abundance
(24:08) The “Messiah complex” and honest leadership
(27:38) Closing charge: keep motives clean

Websites: https://www.brandonclack.org/ and https://ccatx.com/

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