When Charlie Kirk died, Shay had feelings about her feelings. Specifically, the feeling that humanism was standing in the driveway blocking the parade float.

That spiral led us straight to Elisa Rosoff — a humanist chaplain who spends her days inside the place we send the people we've decided are bad, asking the one question nobody outside those walls wants to sit with: what actually makes somebody bad? Turns out it's a lot more complicated than the mug shot, and a lot less satisfying than a clean answer. Elisa talks about delivering three death notifications before lunch, feeling safer inside the prison than at the gas station, and why curiosity might be the most radical thing you can bring into a room.

Also: the Second Look Act in North Carolina, which you should absolutely look up after this. (link below)

ABOUT ELISA ROSOFF

Elisa Rosoff is the Chaplaincy Training and Education Coordinator for the North Carolina Department of Adult Correction and the first humanist chaplain to work in the North Carolina prison system. Drawing from her master of divinity in psychology and religion, she specializes in reentry chaplaincy — walking alongside incarcerated people and supporting them as they transition back into society.

RESOURCES MENTIONED

2nd Look Act: https://bit.ly/2ndlooklaw
The New Jim Crowe: https://bit.ly/newjimcrowbook

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