This is my episode on what happens when someone makes falling off buildings look like an art form.

Marissa Labog is a dancer, stunt performer, filmmaker, and mom, and she joined me this week to talk about something I didn't expect: how stunts and dance are actually the same conversation, just with better padding.

Spoiler: the scariest part of doing something dangerous isn't the danger. It's skipping a step.

We explore:

• The stunt that had no rehearsal. What happened when Marissa landed in Mexico City with no prep, a third-story window, and a drainpipe, and why not having time to think might have been the whole point.

• Back to basics as a superpower. The day a group of veteran stunt performers all froze at once, and the simple method they used to get each other moving again. (Spoiler: it works for everything, not just stunts.)

• Building your own path vs. following someone else's. Why Marissa started UP Productions, what she wants female action heroes to look like, and her response to the guy at the Q&A who said he hated her movie.

This episode is for anyone who has ever stood at the edge of something terrifying and wondered if they were built for it.

Because if Marissa has taught me anything, it's that courage isn't the absence of fear. It's the evidence you've been collecting all along.

So, are you okay hitting the ground?

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