Are you proud of America? It can be a complicated question. Sarah and Nancy tackle the topic of patriotism and whether American is an unfinished experiment or a beautiful place unlike any other country. (But wait: Why can’t it be both?) We talk about a Tom Hanks-produced Netflix series on the nation’s founding, The American Experiment, which shows how much in-fighting and compromise were part of the country’s creation. The series also introduces us to a peg-legged lady killer who wrote much of the Constitution (Gouverneur Morris) and confirms that Alexander Hamilton was, indeed, a hottie.

Nancy just moved into her new pad, so you’ll have to excuse a) the slight echo and b) the three (?) different times she had to leave to attend to a mover.

Also discussed:

* True or False: Sarah is a flower girl at Taylor Swift’s wedding

* True or False: Semiquincentennial is a real word

* Happy graduation, Megan!

* The downward mobility of college grads

* That time Sarah doubled-down on becoming un-hireable

* American Dream: Beautiful or unfinished? Let’s debate!

* “They tried to take away football”

* JD Vance, Ben Rhodes, Zohran Mamdani, Al Gore

* “What’s a buggy whip?”

* The Scots love Boston

* Croats > Brits

* James Madison isn’t black???

* George Washington: Amazing man, maybe not the most fun at the kegger

* Writers who get our love: Emily Yoffe, Pamela Colloff, William Finnegan

* How to make Nancy swoon? Tell her you know her byline

Plus, Avocado toast and doomsday, Sarah at the World Cup, Nancy only does the “F” in Marry, Fuck, Kill, and much more!

REMINDER: First Sunday Zoom, July 5, 8pm ET/5pm PT.

Also two questions: Are you in college? And do you cover your heart during the National Anthem? Let know in the comments or — even better — tell us yourself on Sunday.

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