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262. Justine van der Leun on Women Who Kill Their Abusers

262. Justine van der Leun on Women Who Kill Their Abusers

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Note: Our recording app crapped out at the one-hour mark (rude!), but we include our hot boxes in the copy below, which you ALL get since we’re making this episode free xxNancy and Sarah talk to Justine van der Leun, the author of Unreasonable Women: Three Stories of Violence, Imprisonment, and Extraordinary Survival. Justine is a heavy hitter in the occasionally lightweight genre of true-crime journalism. Nancy reviewed her 2016 book We Are Not Such Things, about the murder of an American activist in South Africa, and called it a “masterwork of reported nonfiction.” Unreasonable Women tells the stories of three women in prison for what Justine calls “criminalized survival,” meaning they were fighting back against their abusers. Her research was extensive. She wrote to 10,000 women in prison, created data sets that did not exist, and spent years crafting a book that is both hard to read (in its ugly humanity) and hard to put down (in its narrative propulsion). Also discussed:* Sarah, not going viral * Justine’s amazing bone structure* Journalism is license to be nosy* 94% of women are abused before they enter the U.S. prison system* The trap: “If it was so bad, she would have left. If she didn’t leave, it surely wasn’t so bad.”* Nancy unwinds with a “box of chicken and The Price is Right.”* Bitches Who Stab = the jokey title Justine’s husband gave her book* The criminal justice system is so confusing/frustrating that “why bother?” becomes a reasonable reaction — and that’s the point.* Kneejerk Nancy has some choice words for the mothers in these stories!* Big love for Bob Kolker, Rachel Aviv, Brian Goldstone, Ann Rule* The horror of Gisele Pelicot (though this convo got cut off, sadly)Plus, what keeps an author going over the long haul of a book project, the troubling history of sexual exploitation in families, a bonanza of hot box books, and much more! We’re so dang generous this episode is free. Consider returning the generosity by becoming a paid subscriber!Episode Notes:Unreasonable Women: Three Stories of Violence, Imprisonment, and Extraordinary Survival All about Justine’s work at www.justinevdl.comWe Are Not Such Things: The Murder of a Young American, a South African Township, and the Search for Truth and Reconciliation by Justine van der Leun (Amazon link)Justine on InstagramTo the Bridge: A True Story of Motherhood and Murder by Nancy Rommelmann (Amazon link)“The Trial of Gisèle Pelicot’s Rapists United France and Fractured Her Family,” by Rachel Aviv (New Yorker)There Is No Place for Us: Working and Homeless in America by Brian Goldstone (Amazon link)Random Family, by Adrian Nicole LeBlanc (Amazon link)Svetlana Alexievich is a Belarusian journalist who won the 2015 Nobel Prize. One of her many books: Lost Girls: An American Mystery, by Robert Kolker (Amazon link)The Adversary: A True Story of Monstrous Deception, by Emmanuel Carrere (Amazon link)The Stranger Beside Me: The Inside Story of Serial Killer Ted Bundy, by Ann Rule (Amazon link, audiobook recommended)What’s in your hot box?Justine: Dear Monica Lewinky: A Novel, by Julia LangbeinNancy: The Vanishing Family: Love, Fate, and the Quest to End Dementia, by Robert KolkerSarah: Catch the Devil: A True Story of Murder, Deception, and Injustice on the Gulf Coast, by Pamela Colloff This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit smokeempodcast.substack.com/subscribe
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