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Most of us were handed one flat rule about money as children: debt is bad. Debt is danger. Debt is the thing that ruins people. And for a lot of women, it's wrapped in something heavier than logic — shame, and the quiet belief that owing money means you failed.

So we build our whole financial identity around avoiding it. It feels responsible. But in this Espresso, Francesca gently makes the case that running from debt entirely isn't sophistication — it's fear wearing a nice coat. And it's costing you more than you think.

Debt, on its own, is neither good nor bad. It's a tool — and everything depends on what you do with it.

In this episode:

• Why "I don't like owing anyone anything," said like a badge of honour, may be one of the most expensive sentences a woman can carry
• The difference between good and bad debt
• Why the loudest voices shouting "it's all going to crash" usually understand debt the least and how to hear them without being shaken

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About the show

Centsational Women Investing is the podcast helping women across Europe master investing, build passive income, and create real financial freedom — without the jargon, the judgment, or the finance-bro energy. Each week we make personal finance, somatic work and financial literacy simple, blending practical investment strategies with the money mindset and somatic work that helps you actually follow through. Whether you're learning how to start investing for the first time, planning for retirement, building wealth alongside your career, or working toward full financial independence, this is your space to feel calm, clear, and powerful with money.

Topics we cover: investing for women · how to start investing · passive income · financial freedom · financial literacy · money mindset · wealth building · wealth management · financial independence · retirement planning · financial confidence · overcoming financial anxiety · i...